"NEWS" Nelson Paint to continue producing oil based paints!

[Chronobreak]

"NEWS"

Nelson Paint manufacturer has decided that they will not be switching to a water soluable paint fill or PEG(PolyEthalyeneGlycol)

They had planned to switch due to environmental and staining issues as well as iissuing a heavy price increase that may potentialy hurt sales.

They have aquired a distributorship of Bunker scrub and feel it is no longer necesary to switch to an environemtaly friendly fill, since they are also willing to sell you a product that will clean it up.


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Now my thoughts.

Paint manufacturers have gotten away with keeping the public uninformed about what is actualy in their products for some time now.

this is perhaps the biggest slap in the face to both players and fields i have seen yet.

This is basicly nelson justifying the sale of uninvironmentaly friendly oil product by selling you a cleaning agent as well.

This is by far the minimim of compliance based action they could have taken.

Im curious as to what the rest of you think.

[Zone Drifter]

I think it's b.s. to be honest. A water soluble paint is what should be the standard in my opinion.

[StygShore]

i have been shooting Nelson off and on all summer. I have not experienced any staining issues or problems with it like I had in previous years.

I know they changed their current formula up from last Fall when they had the stuff come out that burned vegetation and trashed everything - was not aware they still used oil base in their product though.


I was looking to use Nelson for next year as well, but not if it is going to trash the field.

Can you recommend a decent quality PEG paint on the market?

Thanks

Styg

[sandfreestyle]

More trash on the field means more trash that I have to play in and get all over my stuff that I paid good money for. Sorry, but I don't treat my stuff like trash.

I agree. I think water based paint should be a standard.

[Elemental]

Gah! I hate oil-based paint. It's so hard to get all of that oil off your lens.

[snoopay700]

That's garbage right there, it sucks and i won't be buying their paint as a result. I've actually been testing al my paint to ensure it's PEG or water soluble paint.

[Chronobreak]

i have been shooting Nelson off and on all summer. I have not experienced any staining issues or problems with it like I had in previous years.

I know they changed their current formula up from last Fall when they had the stuff come out that burned vegetation and trashed everything - was not aware they still used oil base in their product though.


I was looking to use Nelson for next year as well, but not if it is going to trash the field.

Can you recommend a decent quality PEG paint on the market?

Thanks

Styg

sure can

the new JT paints are all PEG based fills, except the lowest brand of whitebox they offer

I believe all of DXS's paints are also peg/water soluable as well as everything that KEE offers to my knowledge.

the DO NOT ALLOW list is basicly as follows but is not limited to

Stryker
Monster ball
Nelson paints
low end jt/be paints such as tactical(recon is ok)

visual impact is water soluable however it does have a heavy staining agent or permanent dye in it so i cant reccomend that.

styg, i wish i could say exactly what was in nelsons paints, but just like cigarettes they do not for some reason ahve to list what is in it or atleast the dominant components.

to the best of my knowledge nelson uses a hybrid type fill, partly vegetable/canola oil , possibly starch and other fillers.


and to anyone who is unsure of how to test for oil based paint heres a link for ya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YPWPPvK010

--just found one testing nelson, and that was their thinnest fill i believe, they got one that looks worse than monsterball in water

[Smoothice]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YPWPPvK010

Wow that kid was going through puberty on tape.

[drg]

I think this crusade is overblown alarmism.

[punkncat]

We aren't exactly talking about oil paints like the old clean up with terpentine type back in the day. We are talking about vegetable oil based paints. They have a tendency to leave a residue behind, even after being washed.
Now I don't know about y'all, but I tend to play paintball in clothing that either I don't mind getting dirty, or that was purpose built and bought to play paintball in. Having a bit of stain on them, either from oil residue, or what is more common around here from good 'ole Georgia clay from dirt is not an issue to me at all. After all I do go to the field to play, not to stand around and have an issue with how sharp and clean I look. I could see where that is an issue for some who apparently come to the field to talk and look good.....

The "environmental" impact from paint residue could be argued many different ways. I personally do not really have a stand for or against it one way or the other.

[Lohman446]

It will likely be the foothold to get government oversight.

As long as you are playing on a commercial field no big deal, beyond the obvious.

What about those who play "outlaw", some on state owned lands

[Chronobreak]

The "environmental" impact from paint residue could be argued many different ways. I personally do not really have a stand for or against it one way or the other.

It will likely be the foothold to get government oversight.

As long as you are playing on a commercial field no big deal, beyond the obvious.

What about those who play "outlaw", some on state owned lands

now where getting somewhere

sure i got no qualms with someone wanting a cheap case to shoot up their friends somewhere and dont mind the staining issue, the paint isnt a big issue there

few minor notes however, what about those hooligans that shoot up houses, or street signs, and those black permanet stains stick around(those are from oil paints)

but a field that runs any kinds of numbers has to make a decision, is this worth the $ these kids are spending to let them use it/have the cleanup issues and a possibly less clean facility, and ALOT less folliage(plantlife)

alot of fields allow this stuff and many other brands they are unware of stain or may have problems, and ide say the paint manufacturers(most) have been overly deceptive possibly to the point of consumer fraud

[C_losjoker]

I can agree with lots of the views on here. Punkcat, has some good points if your cloths stain so what. you are there to play and get dirty, if you dont want your ruin your clothes wear something your going to throw out or go take up swewing. but i also do take care of my stuff and want it to last as long as possible, if it wears or tears its one thing. but if it gets destroyed or stinks before it's suppose to because of the paint, thats different.

but the thing is if all these oil paints are killing the soil and plants on the outdoor fields. it really is going to make it harder and worse for all of us that play. think about it, if nothing is growing or able to grow even during the rainy season. the ground is going to be packed hard as concrete, plants keep the soil loose and soft. makes it a lot easier and better for us who dive, slide or for the rest of us that also trip over our own two feet.

I have also been to one field that while I was playing I kept leaning up against some of obstacles. geez, I kid you not i swear there must have been at least a couple inches of paint on every bunker. that had just caked over and some looked it was growing mold, maybe even coming to life. I had mentioned this to one of the guys working the field and he said yeah its ugly really bad. He said they go out there from time to time to wash them down, but the stuff just will not come off. I am not the type to pay attention and care about my clothes, hell i have played mud football before in brand new jeans and shoes because i wanted to play and that was all i was wearing. but leaning against those bunkers with all that gunk and mold, it was nasty.

I would even support fields that went with house paint only, if they used water based paints. Just my few cents worth and what i seen out there so far.

[3DSteve]

this also becomes an issue when you pay thousands of dollars for an airball field and would like to keep it playable for as long as possible. Paint residue and build up not only looks bad on the field, it makes patching bunkers a nightmare.

[russc]

I think this crusade is overblown alarmism.

Give me an hour to throw a video up and I'll show you what Nelson can do to a field.