Any word on the mill over at Logic?

[punkncat]

Last I talked to Ryan , the control for his mill was down. He was expecting about a 2 week down time to be milling again. Is there any word on the situation?
I have some parts with him and it would be nice to know if the line is moving again. Not that I am rushing him or anything , just wanted to know.

[yeahthatsme]

wouldnt this be better suited for a PM instead of a post?

[Digits]

haha if your ordering from logic you better set a few months aside..

no offense but there not known for being speedy

[AGDlover]

ya the last time i talked to him he said he thought he was going to stop milling and doing custom stuff

[GT]

no offense but there not known for being speedy

who is in this buisness that doesnt sell pre-fab crap?

[Digits]

huh??

You could put up for Ryan all you want.. Fact is they are crap for turn around time.. Everyone knows this.. Alot of people are just to scared to say anything though

[punkncat]

wouldnt this be better suited for a PM instead of a post?

I didn't want to bother Ryan if someone else already knew something about it.

haha if your ordering from logic you better set a few months aside..

just like I told him I am in no hurry. My x valve is in my wifes marker, so I can still use it if I like. I am using my sweet Freeflow cocker in the meantime , and by the time I get it back it will be like a new marker to me , and quell my rabid gun whoring for a minute.

[hAppy]

you should know that logic is a very very slow guy, it took 4 moths to get my friend's logic frame, after he has paid

honestly, i think "a broken mill" is makeup time

[warbeak2099]

Yea they're pretty slow. It took Ryan a month and 2 weeks after he recieved my MO to get my rt custom done. He found a blemish on the alpha rail and had to send it back to get re'annoed. He just shipped it out this Monday and I still haven't gotten it. I should get it tomorrow though... if I don't I'm going to start getting worried. I know he's a good guy though and makes good quality stuff. I have no problem waiting, but when it gets in the way of my playing time... grrrrrr. Then again, quality takes time. And from what I've seen on this forum, Ryan sure does put out a whole lotta quality.

[GT]

I think you guys ned to do alittle more reading on AO. Even companies like AGD have set backs that are out of thier control.

when you are dealing with a custom shop expect a long wait, that is how it is.

If you dont want the best there is a spyder hanging on the wall of your local wal mart with your name on it....

[Jon/xpm]

Products take time to make...
Loook how long it took for people to get x-mags

[CoolHand]

How about an official update, eh?

The card rack was in New York all this week (Buffalo to be exact), but I got a call today from the nice fellows a Visimetrics (HappyAzn, give em a call if you want, tell them Ryan from Logic said it was OK to give you a statis report) who told me that they were done - the new control was installed in the rack, and it was heading back to me. Should have it in hand by the end of next week, add three or four days for installation and troubleshooting, and we will be rolling again (but as a disclaimer - it could be a whole year too ).

Honestly, I owe a few vert frames, and Mr Punkncat's rail, and then I will be caught up. After they are done, I will have no one waiting on me. I stopped taking vert frame orders (until I have some in stock) over a month ago, so there will be no more backorders. However, if you want custom work done, you gonna wait for it, plain and simple.

I don't know where people got the idea that a one off custom job should have no more than a week turn around, including shipping, but they are simply not living in reality.

All machine work on customer parts will be done on a "When I can squeeze it in" basis only, from now on. There is simply not enough money in the rail modifications, and other random stuff to warrant pushing off vert frames, and other production parts to meet a two week turn around. To replace this, I will start stocking the sculpted RTP rails in Gloss Black, and raw.

Also, I am getting extreamly tired of my every move being nitpicked by people who act as though everything I say is a lie, aimed at keeping them from knowing exactly what is going on in my shop. This is not a democracy, it is my business, it is my time, and I will do with it as I please. I don't have to justify every action I take, nor do I have to explain them. I do so as a courtise to my customers, and to AO in general (as I used to expect the folks here to understand why things have to be done a certain way), but in no way does this imply that I am asking for advice, or seeking approval.

I have offered refunds to everyone who is waiting on a vert frame, only one took it, but I am constantly hearing about me holding people's money hostage, while delivering no product. That would only be true if I refused to give it back (their money). So to those who think I would go to all the trouble of making up this control crash to keep you from getting your frames - Get over yourselves, and either wait it out like men, or get a refund.

Now I know this rant was a bit misplaced, but I figured it would get seen here as well as anywhere else. Also, Punkncat, this is not directed at you in any way, you are a most patient fellow. For the most part, I've had many excellent and easy to get along with customers, but the random hot heads, or people who can't be pleased, or who haven't even done business with me but sing of my faults, make me so angry sometimes. Its almost enough to make a man want to throw in the towel and take up knitting.

Just to clarify one last time - I have been slow in the past, but now there will be no more excessive waiting, as I will not sell what I don't have in stock. Custom stuff will likely still be slow, but since its paid for by how long I work on it, not how long I have it at the shop, it will come out the same. And, to make sure I don't miss my own deadlines, I will no longer be telling anyone when I want to have things done by, lol

Later

[SpecialBlend2786]

.........well said. Hopefully I have enough money by the time the new vert frames are in

(or untill Rogue starts selling 'em )

[tyrion2323]

huh??

You could put up for Ryan all you want.. Fact is they are crap for turn around time.. Everyone knows this.. Alot of people are just to scared to say anything though

Hrmm...Negatory.

Ryan got my logic-framed mag to me extremely quickly, and he was in contact with me the whole time. My frame came in perfect condition and working wonderfully. Of course, I knew that a custom-made vert frame wouldn't be an immediate turn-around. Unlike some dealers here, Ryan doesn't mass-produce his stuff. He takes the order and custom-mills each piece for the customer. You can get whatever color you'd like, and he'll even dye your grip. He's also not a marketing-oriented guy like some dealers here. He doesn't push his products, and he's certainly not rude or snitty.

But, then again, some of us don't care if it takes a week longer when we know that we're getting the best. And no, I'm not too scared to say anything. In fact, it took me longer to decide what I wanted than for Ryan to get the mag to me.

[Muzikman]

This is a problem with ALL custom shops. Even the best, most respected shops around take a LONG time to do custom work. It's nature. If you send something in to get custom work done...I am being serious...do not have a set date you need it back by...unless it's 2 years away.