rebuild info

[Tig]

Heres my first post.

I found my AutoMag, its been missing for about 16 years(dont ask). I pulled the barrel out and there was a nice amount of rust on the inside.

I need a rebuild kit and maybe some upgrades to get it up to todays specs.
Does AGD make any new versions of the AutoMag?

Are there any web sites that supply parts for them?
What upgrades would be recommended? Internal and external.

Thanks guys, I appreciate the help and info.

[C.J.]

Hey Tig!
I'd use a Scotch-Brite pad and Flitz or Met-all to remove rust after disassembling the whole marker. Don't use steel wool as it leaves metal bits that promote differential metal corrosion.

An upgrade you might consider is the Level-10 Superbolt. It needs to be tuned and it's less fault tolerant than the standard bolt but it prevents chops.

What kind of game do you play? I'll play woods, rec or even speedball with a Classic 'mag but I'm not a pro and everyone on my field thinks I'm nuts.

If you want to compete with pros and go through a case of paint every couple of games, a new valve with a reactive trigger will make your 'mag shoot ropes with no effort.

Tuna-Mart would be a good place to look for parts. http://www.tunamart.com/
The buy/sell/trade section of this forum is a great place for stuff too.

[Tig]

Thanks C J,
I appreciate the info. Its actually been quite some time since I have played. I would like to get back into it, thats why I'm lookin around.
When I first got my marker I dumped about 1K into it, that was almost 16 years ago.

I will look into everything you suggest.

Thanks again

[C.J.]

Thanks C J,
I appreciate the info. Its actually been quite some time since I have played. I would like to get back into it, thats why I'm lookin around.
When I first got my marker I dumped about 1K into it, that was almost 16 years ago.

I will look into everything you suggest.

Thanks again

No problem!

I thought of a few other things after I posted.

If you want to use CO2, either an angled bottle-line or an anti-siphon is a good idea for keeping liquid out of the marker. I use anti-siphon in conjunction with a Palmer Pursuit Shop "Stabilizer" regulator. It deliver a very consistent charge of gas on every shot which helps accuracy.

A good paint to bore match is important. A ball sizer will give you an idea how large your paint is and you can buy a barrel that suits.

High Pressure Air "HPA" is an option. I used to have a 68/4500 HPA tank but I wanted something smaller so I went back to CO2. The only real disadvantage to HPA is the tanks are larger for a given number of shots versus CO2. With HPA you don't have to worry about liquid getting into the marker, freeze up or anything along those lines. Most HPA tanks (with built in regulators) are designed as direct replacements for CO2.

Finally, I would suggest you just clean your marker up and go play with it. You may find it doesn't need any upgrades. It IS an Automag after all - one of the finest mechanical semi-autos ever.

[Spider-TW]

Tuna-Mart would be a good place to look for parts. http://www.tunamart.com/
The buy/sell/trade section of this forum is a great place for stuff too.

www.airgun.com has the official parts catalog.

www.themagsmith.com has parts too.

Take a picture of your old mag before you do some major upgrades (I wish I had taken some 'before' pics).

[Tig]

What do you mean by tuning? How can you tune a marker? You got me there.

Do they use nitorgen for an air source?
I'm going to tear it down now to see if there is any major issues. I'll also take some pictures of it.

I forgot to post last time. Where I used to play was an old abandonded office building. These guys bought it and converted it into a paintball shop and feild. It was great, 2 floors with holes in the walls and doors ripped off. Some rooms have door ways to go through other dont, there was lights placed uneven thoughout the floors. It was pretty fun.

Thanks spider for the links, they will come in handy.

[Tao]

What do you mean by tuning? How can you tune a marker? You got me there.

Do they use nitorgen for an air source?
I'm going to tear it down now to see if there is any major issues. I'll also take some pictures of it.

I forgot to post last time. Where I used to play was an old abandonded office building. These guys bought it and converted it into a paintball shop and feild. It was great, 2 floors with holes in the walls and doors ripped off. Some rooms have door ways to go through other dont, there was lights placed uneven thoughout the floors. It was pretty fun.

Thanks spider for the links, they will come in handy.

You need to tune some of the upgrades like the level 10 anti chop bolt or the Ultra Light trigger pull kit.

All the mags now adays have to use high pressure air/nitrogen and won't run (properly) on CO2. If it has a "retro" or an "x valve" it will only use HPA (basically anything other than the classic valve).
Pretty much all you would want for upgrades are a level 10, and maybe a ULT after that. If you want to get an X valve for it, you are basically better off getting a whole new gun with an X valve in it. Other than that you can get an electronic grip frame for your gun (third party aftermakret upgrade, AGD does not make these).

[Spider-TW]

What? You can tuna-mart but you can't tuna-marker?

Tuning is just making some fine adjustments in spots to make your mag 'just right'. Starting from a solid functioning stock Automag, an RT on/off can be 'shimmed' to help reduce chuffing and shortstroking. Level 10 bolts require 'tuning' to make them work well.

Use the search feature on the forum. There's years worth of different discussions, especially on upgrades.

Nitro, [nitrous], and nitrogen refer to the use of nitrogen cylinders to fill bottles. The difference between air and pure nitrogen won't matter to your marker, not even the regulator settings. Weather should have a bigger effect (of not much).

However, if you haven't been playing in a while, loaders have improved about as much as going from CO2 to HPA. One of the force feeders like Halo, Reloader, Evo...whatever speed you like, make a big difference in breaks by themselves. Even if you get a level 10, you will want to keep your mag well fed.

One other link. Not so much for rebuilding but for defining some additional high end mods and mags available...

https://www.logicpaintball.com

[Tig]

Thanks a lot guys, I appreciate everything.
Whats a ULT?
I cant beleive how advanced everything is now-a-days. Its pretty insane.

I'll go search around and see what I can find.

later

[gabriel9090]

Thanks a lot guys, I appreciate everything.
Whats a ULT?
I cant beleive how advanced everything is now-a-days. Its pretty insane.

I'll go search around and see what I can find.

later

I'm right there with ya'. my gun that I've been trying to fix up is almost as old as yours. I got the level 10 kit and have begun installing it . . . tuning, we've got a lot to learn!

too bad there aren't classes on this stuff!

[Tig]

Originally Posted by gabriel9090
I'm right there with ya'. my gun that I've been trying to fix up is almost as old as yours. I got the level 10 kit and have begun installing it . . . tuning, we've got a lot to learn!
too bad there aren't classes on this stuff!

No kidding, lol. There should be classes.
Hows the install and tuning going so far?
You know what really gets me, the design of the mag has not changed all that much if any from when I bought mine up until now.

[Tig]

Well, I started to tear it down. But,I cant seem to download any pictures, it says "not a valid image"
How do you download pictures?


Thanks

[gabriel9090]

Well, I started to tear it down. But,I cant seem to download any pictures, it says "not a valid image"
How do you download pictures?


Thanks

Could be easier . . . now I can't find the allen key to turn up the velocity. After spending $85 on the level 10 I wonder if I shouldn't have spent the extra money and traded my old valve for the x-valve. Apparently they come 'tuned' with the level 10 installed.

It cost a little more but from all I can tell my gun would be working and I wouldn't have to rent one this weekend. Once I get it set I'll be psyched but for now it's a little trying . . .

[Tig]

From what I have been reading it seems to be a pain to tune.
You can trade in your old valves? My only problem is, when I had my valve worked on back in the day, they polished my entire case. So, I have no serial #s anymore.

I'll have to check it out, it seems to be the route to go.

[gabriel9090]

From what I have been reading it seems to be a pain to tune.
You can trade in your old valves? My only problem is, when I had my valve worked on back in the day, they polished my entire case. So, I have no serial #s anymore.

I'll have to check it out, it seems to be the route to go.

I got it firing w/ out breaking balls (before it had been one in 5 or 10). It is leaking out the back now but that's probably something simple in the valve, it is about 15 years old and has never been rebuilt.

I have newer valve so I'm gonna try it out on that one and keep my fingers crossed . . .

I was pretty surprised at how accurate the gun still is even w/ the leak