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  • evil
    Registered User
    • Oct 2001
    • 118

    #1

    Ion frame EP Mag

    alright ive decided to share my project with everyone. my friend and i have been working on this the last few days with a drill press and some other pretty cheap common tools.

    after seeing all the pneumatic mags i decided to take the old RT out of the shoe box and make my own for fun. well it didnt take long and i hadnt even started the project when i decided to make it electro too!
    one of my first thoughts was to make it just electro and use a pancake noid to trip the sear, but that was a bit too boring for me so i made the decision to go ahead and use the common pneumatic parts with a few other parts that i really havent seen used too much yet. i watched the video that pneumagger(hope i spelled it right) made and the information on the assembly of the MPA-3 actuator was invaluable to me, much appreciation on that knowledge that is now stored in my brain.

    i started with a Stock Ion frame because it was FREE!!!! honestly that is the only reason. i picked up a MPA-3, Micro Rock and a SMC s070c-sdg-32 from airsolider. i grabbed a scenario dreams ion t-board with out a solenoid, it is really the only aftermarket board i had seen in person in 3 years and the sized/modes looked like a good starting point to me. the last part i grabbed was the little piston from Luke.

    i had to mill out the lower gripframe to hold the board and the battery next to each other since the original board placement was taken by the mpa-3. not a big deal i used a 2 flute 1/8" mill bit in my little drill press and cutting oil in a spray bottle to quickly do the job. if i can do it so can you! drilled 2 small holes to hold the trigger switch in the stock location, so i have the option of using any aftermarket trigger.

    i also milled out the top front of the grip frame with the same bit, to hold my extremely small solenoid and made a channel for the air hose out to the front of the gun where i placed my lpr. the hole for the lpr i drilled and tapped, my drill press is way way to small for this kind of thing as i dont have the travel distance. i ended up free hand drilling it and its only slightly crooked but this is only my beta setup. i plan on a floor mount drill press and a decent sized mill in the near future as i also race motorcycles and often need small parts and brackets remade from other racers poor track manners.

    all in all im impressed by the function and plan on thoroughly testing this marker out.

    things i have found so far:
    1. the solenoid i used can only cycle 24 times per second at the minimum dwell setting from the board which is 6mls. its fine since the marker only cycles at 22cps with the lvl10 and 800psi output tank, so i capped the board at 22 in all modes.
    2. i did some soldering work. you dont really need to if you dont mind opening the grip or drilling a small hole in the grip to push the buttons. there is also the option of a membrane pad that plugs right in too! i drilled holes and did some soldering.
    3. super glue will not bond the piston to the delrin! and during dryfires with just the grip it popped out. a 2 part epoxy is a better choice and is just as cheap at the home depot.
    4. break out mode is fun as hell!!! on a mag!!! full auto at startup then semi after the first trigger release!
    5. this gun is a ton faster than my emag ever was. i never liked the stupidly huge batter pack and the plunger style noid. manual/hybrid mode was something i never really needed anyway either. my angels never had a manual mode and ive made due for about 7 years with them.
    6. board has the ability to run eyes and i will be doing eyes at a later date and time, i have a ule body on the way so i have to wait for that.
    7. you can use just about any gripframe for this project and i may do my final frame for this gun with an ego frame, however that is still up in the air as fireball mountain makes a great aftermarket ion frame. i have done some measuring and i thing that the solenoid that i used can fit in a ule style rail and would free up some room in the gripframe for other things or if you use a smaller frame all together.





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  • afortuna
    Red Ones Shoot Faster!
    • Jun 2005
    • 573

    #2
    You did a really good job, but it could have been better if a video was supplied.

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    • evil
      Registered User
      • Oct 2001
      • 118

      #3
      ill get some 1080i uploaded on monday! i need to get air for this beast.
      i buy souls

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      • zazzoo
        Registered User

        • Jan 2005
        • 843

        #4
        Originally posted by evil
        ill get some 1080i uploaded on monday! i need to get air for this beast.
        ever get that video?
        feedback
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        • outreach
          Registered User
          • Aug 2006
          • 255

          #5
          i wonder how the frame would look on a micro mag

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          • teamfuya

            #6
            Originally posted by zazzoo
            ever get that video?
            Video! Video! Video!

            I know, i know, i'll get over to evil's pad and shoot some.

            I will post some 720p footage later this week.

            I'll also take some new pictures of it. it's got a red ULE body now.


            btw: tested the imag out on sunday (7/15/07) worked like a champ. a bit of a lvl 10 spring problem. think we have that one cleared up (now longer spring).

            on another note, evil mentioned his angels, i have converted my Angel Speed '03 a year ago to an iAngel, pulled the original board and battery out and replaced w/ a ScenarioDreams Ion board. Works great. Going to be testing bounce eyes soon. here's a quick pic of the makeshift board in the grip frame. (it's only for switches and power, main board is in the empty battery tube.

            Last edited by Guest; 07-17-2007, 11:03 PM.

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            • teamfuya

              #7
              Ok, Here's a video to ease you all. It's a vid from testing lvl 10 (which still needs to be tuned)

              VIDEO LINK

              With new ULE body and flame drop we had laying around.


              http://www.TeamFUYA.com

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              • evil
                Registered User
                • Oct 2001
                • 118

                #8
                incase anyone was wondering, the longer bolt spring didnt fix the lvl10 so thats why it choked a couple of times in the video. i put about 1500 rounds thru it before i started getting the problem. it feels like i need a larger carrier but i dont have any of the lvl 10 parts, ill have to order out for those.
                i buy souls

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                • PBChappy
                  Registered User

                  • Jul 2006
                  • 469

                  #9
                  very nice work

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                  • teamfuya

                    #10
                    Well, the above mag w/ the ULE body kind'of just got taken apart. Needed the SMC s070c-sdg-32 solenoid from it, we were trying out a different model (SMC SY113A-SG-PM3) to use in this new mag but it's just a bit too big for the EGO frame were using. Thinking about a new grip frame for old mag, maybe a FBM ion frame and a much smaller control board, we'll see. Some of the parts in that one were used in the new red mag project. We'll get around to putting that one back together. Plus pushing the speed beyond the 22bps marker currently set on the older one.

                    the new red mag:

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                    • evil
                      Registered User
                      • Oct 2001
                      • 118

                      #11
                      Here Is The New Ego Mag

                      well this is how the new mag looks as of today!!! same noid as the Ion Mag i did above and again i used a T-Board. This mag uses a 05 Ego frame and a T-Board for that particular frame so no electronics to modify for this project. I just purchased this mag from ClassicMagger here on AO for a steal! its so fricken light and the EP parts didnt add very much to it. all work was done by me and my friend Teamfuya, here are some pics:






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                      • jade_monkey07
                        Cheater Tac one
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 984

                        #12
                        sweet ***, i think i know what im gonnabe doing with my free ape board!

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                        • jbg00d
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2005
                          • 119

                          #13
                          Hey nice work man. I'm building the emaggo my self, but I'm not sure what solenoid and actuator to use. Mind if I pick your brain a bit? Thanks.

                          jbg00d

                          Originally posted by evil
                          well this is how the new mag looks as of today!!! same noid as the Ion Mag i did above and again i used a T-Board. This mag uses a 05 Ego frame and a T-Board for that particular frame so no electronics to modify for this project. I just purchased this mag from ClassicMagger here on AO for a steal! its so fricken light and the EP parts didnt add very much to it. all work was done by me and my friend Teamfuya, here are some pics:






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                          • evil
                            Registered User
                            • Oct 2001
                            • 118

                            #14
                            i picked up a MPA-3 and a SMC s070c-sdg-32 from airsolider. 4th pic down of the ego mag shows the brass MPA-3 up at the top of the frame next to the sear, its a great little actuator and cheap as hell. if you then look down just a tad in that pic you will see the white and silver solenoid, thats the second one i used and they work real well; broken in they will cycle up to about 30bps.

                            the parts i used made for a real nice compact fit and i didnt have to mod that much, the ion frame was a ton more work. all in all i think i did the ego frame in less than 2 hours.

                            i personally prefer the ion frame and trigger position and over all feel alot more than the ego frame. im probably going to sell the ego frame off and do a nice aftermarket ion frame for fun.

                            anymore ?'s just ask away im glad to help

                            -adam
                            i buy souls

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                            • jbg00d
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2005
                              • 119

                              #15
                              Originally posted by evil
                              i picked up a MPA-3 and a SMC s070c-sdg-32 from airsolider. 4th pic down of the ego mag shows the brass MPA-3 up at the top of the frame next to the sear, its a great little actuator and cheap as hell. if you then look down just a tad in that pic you will see the white and silver solenoid, thats the second one i used and they work real well; broken in they will cycle up to about 30bps.

                              the parts i used made for a real nice compact fit and i didnt have to mod that much, the ion frame was a ton more work. all in all i think i did the ego frame in less than 2 hours.

                              i personally prefer the ion frame and trigger position and over all feel alot more than the ego frame. im probably going to sell the ego frame off and do a nice aftermarket ion frame for fun.

                              anymore ?'s just ask away im glad to help

                              -adam
                              Thanks Adam for the info! You said you used the T board for less mods, my frame came with the high end ego board so I plan on using it. What electrical mods will have to be done inorder to achieve the goal besides adding the two pin plug for the solenoid? thanks.

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