The Ego all hype? Still on the fence

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  • punkncat
    One foot less
    • Feb 2003
    • 5841

    #1

    The Ego all hype? Still on the fence

    I wanted to post this somewhere that I would not get instantly burned to death about having a less than fanboi opinion on this marker.

    I recently purchased a used Ego7. It is a beautiful marker. Super light, good mill work, feels nice in my hand. It came with pretty much all the upgrade that it needs already having the zick kit and bump pistons. I actually had to look those up to see what they were...lol

    The marker is easy to take apart and clean. Everything is laid out simply, much like any other stacked tube marker. Truly much along the lines of a marker that IMO it emulates in the timmy series. NO I am NOT saying this is a timmy, but it is much like it.

    The user manual that came with is nice, well laid out and very thorough in its explaination of assembly, maintainance, etc.

    Now let me got down to brass tacks. This marker would have cost me something in the neighborhood of 1200 bucks last year. The 8 version which is barely different is actually fetching a touch more than that this year. I paid half that, one year later, for a pretty much "fully upgraded" one. We can see already some point of issue here. If this marker is so damn nice, how come they are not holding any kind of value?
    Not that many things are nowdays, mind you. About the only few things that I am actually familiar with that do are Mags and Vikes...anywho.

    I got it home and the first thing I did was to diassemble, clean, re ring, and lube/oil in the appropriate places. It was apparent that the previous owner had taken very good care of this marker. It was not nasty and nothing was out of place or malfunctioning.

    The first thing I noticed upon using it is that it has TERRIBLE consistancy issues. I went in search of answers and find that this is not an uncommon issue at all with this marker. There are threads all over the most common site (which I will leave unmentioned) about this and how to fix it.
    Apparently this company, Bump, thought to make some improvements on the consistancy and efficency of the marker and designed these high priced "upgrade" pistons. As I can only compare this to a stock 7 that a buddy has...well I will wait a moment to get into that.
    So in addition to these upgraded parts of apparently little actual affect on anything. I have this zick kit ram. Now the idea behind this is that it has a little cushion of air behind it and helps the marker not kick so bad. I have the stock rammer, but have yet to put it in....here is where the comparison to my buddies stock Ego7 comes in.
    His marker has no discernable amount more kick than mine. He is using all stock parts. This $50 upgraded ram seems to be nothing more than a bragging point IMO. I actually had to set my dwell several ms higher than he was able to tune his to. As a result of the zick kit or the pistons I am unsure, but the result is that he is gaining efficency of a much higher order.
    His consistancy is considerably greater...but there again, my mini has better consistancy than this Ego. I am experiancing velicity changes + and - 30 FPS. I have been through the regs, made recommended adjustments, new batteries, even had a local "expert" check everything out. I am now down to the apparent "go to" answer of, since I replaced all the orings perhaps it needs to break in again. A period of time that varies up to an incredible 10K cycles.......????

    As far as that part goes I actually did get the stock pistons and rammer with the marker and am going to put those parts in as an experiment and see what changes if anything. However I cannot right now due to the newest and at this point most costly problem. I cannot change anything in programming because the LCD screen went out right after I got it.
    Yes that's right. It was working fine. Played one game with it, didn't take any kind of hit to the grip frame, drop, or rough treatment. I brought it home, working fine. Layed it on a table I use for storing all my markers, in the house in climate control. Pick it up the next time to fiddle around in the back yard and guess what? No display. Of course it will power on and operate, but I have no idea what any settings are should I wish to change them. Luckily I had already spent a couple of afternoons, a case of paint, couple of tanks of air, and a battery in the chrono making adjustments to it to be both legal and as consistant as possible. Good thing too.....
    So now I have no faith whatsoever in the stock board. I have owned Eclipse LCD boards before. Had this problem to a varying degree with some Zero B boards a while back, but would have thought they addressed this issue.
    Instead of spending $50 to swap out and having to worry about it happening again, I went absolutely bat (crap) crazy and spent almost $170 on that new Tadao board with the OLED. Yes, here I have this over priced, value loosing, inconsistant beauty of a marker...and now I am throwing an almost 200 dollar designer board in it...I guess so I can be more agg?!?

    Well I must say. The jury is still out on this. WAY out. I dunno if I did myself a service, or if I have jumped off in the middle of hyped out money pit, marker style. When I get the new board and am actually able to adjust my settings I am going to check and see whether the $100+ in "upgrades" actually just made it worse.

    I will get back to you all about it. Until then...I love to shoot the thing, I love the feel, the weight, the profile. But at this point I kinda feel like a guy with a high maintainence, good looking girlfriend, who is a bad lay and can't cook.


    EDIT**** Please read through and then check this thread.
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    Last edited by punkncat; 04-09-2008, 08:26 PM.
  • insixdays777
    Long Live AGD
    • Mar 2004
    • 857

    #2
    Great read! THANKS!. My experiences are the same with egos. Ever try a DP Fusion F8? IMO it shot just as good or better than the Ego7 I had. Dont know why I sold my F8...?

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    • jackwood
      Registered User
      • Jan 2006
      • 29

      #3
      Nice to hear your thoughts.

      Re: inconsistency: I would suggest the first thing you do is put everything back to stock before you go any further. Try that, and then take it from there.

      Secondly, the gun is still under warranty and it will cost you nothing to have the stock board fixed. The board will be replaced Free Of Charge.

      I would suggest you contact [email protected] to get the board replaced, and he may also have some suggestions for the severe inconsistency. Obviously that level of fluctuation is not normal.

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      • Ruler_Mark
        AKAOG.ORG
        • Aug 2007
        • 2600

        #4
        IF a gun costs 1000$ shouldnt it work decent out of the box? this seriously sounds worse than a gun i bought, spyder electronic clone, back in 2002 for 180$ then.

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        • punkncat
          One foot less
          • Feb 2003
          • 5841

          #5
          Hey Jack,

          I am the second or possibly third owner of this marker. I have no idea when or where it was purchased new, and it has aftermarket pistons in it. I would imagine that all of that makes the warranty a non issue, wouldn't it?

          I do plan on changing it all back to stock and see what happens as soon as I get the new board and can access settings.
          Last edited by punkncat; 03-28-2008, 07:31 AM.

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          • 93civiccpe
            Registered User
            • Feb 2005
            • 572

            #6
            I have never owned an ego, but have used several of them. The local store-sponsored team uses them so they are very popular in the area. I have seen them be quite tight over the chrono... most of them between +/- 5 if not better. I have heard of those upgrades but quite honestly do not know what they do or whether or not they are any good. I know a lot of guys had been talking about the "cure bolt" for it, but once again.. just something I overheard at the shop. The +/- 30 does not sound right.. I'm hoping that maybe you were just unlucky and had a board going dead and it wasn't giving a consistent pulse to your solenoid.

            I hate seeing people put a bunch of money into a gun that turns out to be a lemon. I don't want to mention this but it sounds like you have now spent $770 if I did the math correctly on that. I spent $100 more than that and picked up a brand new macdev droid. That's the most I've ever spent on a maker but I honestly feel it was one of the best choices I've made. I try to stick with AGD, AKA, Macdev, and PPS markers in my collection. I had sold my cyborg so I needed a new macdev marker and it just worked out.

            I hope that ego works out for you. If it doesn't, I know a father & son who have played egos for a long time, and they recently both sold their egos and picked up DP Thresholds and have not looked back. And I hear DP is releasing a couple new dp markers this weekend.. can't wait to see what's next.

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            • jackwood
              Registered User
              • Jan 2006
              • 29

              #7
              Originally posted by punkncat
              Hey Jack,

              I am the second or possibly third owner of this marker. I have no idea when or where it was purchased new, and it has after aftermarket pistons in it. I would imagine that all of that makes the warranty a non issue, wouldn't it?

              I do plan on changing it all back to stock and see what happens as soon as I get the new board and can access settings.

              No, the warranty does not work like that. As much as some people might like you to believe that Eclipse is an Evil Behemoth that cares not for its users, I think if you speak to Gerry (he is teching in HB this week, BTW) he will be more than happy to supply you with anything you need. It wouldn't matter if the gun had 200 previous owners, a Dye reg, a Ti rammer, a CP on/off, a re-ano and a custom bolt. The board would still get fixed free of charge for you.

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              • pmstc
                free at last
                • Jan 2008
                • 404

                #8
                I have a feeling that tweaking your dwell will have a significant impact on your performance. Other than that, that's really weird. You might have gotten a bad egg or something...
                A bunch of my teammates use Egos and theres are all pretty consistent.. and I shoot an Etek which is also very consistent.. though admittedly not as consistent as my PM5, which tends to shoot +/- 1 FPS

                I would not say that Egos are all hype. A good bit of the newer models is hype, but they are still sweet, hi quality guns. For the most part, at least. Even my Etek, which is supposed to be a 'cheapo' Ego, seems to be made much better than any other electronic gun that I've used

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                • sandfreestyle
                  Registered User

                  • Jan 2008
                  • 1367

                  #9
                  Sounds like my old PM6. I could never get the shot consistancy to be in "normal" range. As for the price of the gun, if you go out and spend more than $700 on a brand new gun then you are throwing your money away IMO. Just wait the one year and you can snag a fully uped one for half price like punkncat and hope its not a lemon.

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                  • punkncat
                    One foot less
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 5841

                    #10
                    Originally posted by 93civiccpe
                    I have never owned an ego, but have used several of them. The local store-sponsored team uses them so they are very popular in the area. I have seen them be quite tight over the chrono... most of them between +/- 5 if not better. I have heard of those upgrades but quite honestly do not know what they do or whether or not they are any good. I know a lot of guys had been talking about the "cure bolt" for it, but once again.. just something I overheard at the shop. The +/- 30 does not sound right.. I'm hoping that maybe you were just unlucky and had a board going dead and it wasn't giving a consistent pulse to your solenoid.

                    I hate seeing people put a bunch of money into a gun that turns out to be a lemon. I don't want to mention this but it sounds like you have now spent $770 if I did the math correctly on that. I spent $100 more than that and picked up a brand new macdev droid. That's the most I've ever spent on a maker but I honestly feel it was one of the best choices I've made. I try to stick with AGD, AKA, Macdev, and PPS markers in my collection. I had sold my cyborg so I needed a new macdev marker and it just worked out.

                    I hope that ego works out for you. If it doesn't, I know a father & son who have played egos for a long time, and they recently both sold their egos and picked up DP Thresholds and have not looked back. And I hear DP is releasing a couple new dp markers this weekend.. can't wait to see what's next.

                    I had also seen and used several Egos previous to my purchase of this one. I have wanted one for some time and being the gun whore that I am, could not stay away as hard as I tried to convince myself to.
                    What actually drove me to get it was that a friend and ex team mate brought his up to the shop where I was hanging out and I took the time to clean and rebuild his. I took it out back afterward and it shot SO nice. It was unbelievable.

                    I am really hoping that it has something to do with either the board or some piece or part being out of adjustment or just plain broken/wrong for the marker.

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                    • punkncat
                      One foot less
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 5841

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jackwood
                      No, the warranty does not work like that. As much as some people might like you to believe that Eclipse is an Evil Behemoth that cares not for its users, I think if you speak to Gerry (he is teching in HB this week, BTW) he will be more than happy to supply you with anything you need. It wouldn't matter if the gun had 200 previous owners, a Dye reg, a Ti rammer, a CP on/off, a re-ano and a custom bolt. The board would still get fixed free of charge for you.
                      Thx, I will check into that then. If nothing else having a good stock board around is not a bad thing.

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                      • jackwood
                        Registered User
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 29

                        #12
                        When you speak to Gerry, you should also ask him to send you a couple of New-Style QEV diaphragms. This is the seal that lives inside the QEV body. It is quick ad easy to replace and may be another cause of inconsisteny. In fact, pull the QEV apart and take a look at the seal and make sure it is not cut/mis-placed.

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                        • Steelrat
                          I meant to...uh, nevermind
                          • May 2003
                          • 5375

                          #13
                          You gotta love that a head honcho from Eclipse managed to find his way into this thread so quickly. Think what you want about Eclipse, but I kinda like that level of customer service. I very much doubt any of the head guys from Dye or Smart Parts are going to post up on a thread about their markers in a forum dedicated to a competing company.

                          I don't mind egos, I just don't want to shoot something that everyone and their brother shoots. I still miss the beautiful nexus cockers But I'm happy Eclipse was able to find success, they always made quality stuff, and deserved it.

                          Punk, your issues sound like they must be an abberation. +- 30 FPS is just way, way too inconsistent. I think there are probably issues with Egos, and their resale blows (as dones any gun name which includes a year number), but I doubt they are THAT bad.


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                          • B-Pow
                            patented being bad people
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 209

                            #14
                            Originally posted by punkncat
                            I will get back to you all about it. Until then...I love to shoot the thing, I love the feel, the weight, the profile. But at this point I kinda feel like a guy with a high maintainence, good looking girlfriend, who is a bad lay and can't cook.
                            This is why I buy guns that are at LEAST 1 year old, there is enough information about the marker out there and I've had the oppertunity to try someone elses at the local field. Then I make the decision based on confort...and since the gun is 1-3 years old the price is rock bottom.

                            However I am a big fan of the rammer/poppit valve markers design (I shoot a intimidator for an electro..and always thought angels are hot, still want a G7 someday, never really thought all that highly of the ego) I have yet to find a poppit marker that wasn't easy to trouble shoot, fix, and maintain. But then again if you have basic functional knowlage about the marker you own troubble shooting, fixing, maintaining is easy on any platform you understand well enough.

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                            • Steelrat
                              I meant to...uh, nevermind
                              • May 2003
                              • 5375

                              #15
                              Damn, just read the thread on MCB. Sure is a lot of intelligent, informed love for the ego line. Who knows, maybe I should...


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