Gforce Internal LPR - post to order.

[Pneumagger]

EDITED TO REFLECT CURRENT SALE
Ok, shown below is a pic of a "production" LPR adapter and CP on/off ASA.
Also shown is the modified nickel/brass WGP nut- which saves me alot of machine time.
I have completed testing on both the custom aluminum adapter and the converted WGP nut.
Both work excellent and I'm really pleased with both. Either should get the job done.
Orders are ready to be taken, and work is ready to commence (forget about lengthy waits for this custom part ).
If you have expressed interest in this thread previously, you have been PMed. Chime in or PM me if you would like in on this.



I will be offering the Aluminum adapter as a single part you can use to upgrade the WGP LPR you already have.
The WGP modified nut will be sold with the WGP LPR. I will try to purchase several in bulk and pass on the savings.
If you have a WGP reg, you're welcome to send it in if you want the WGP nut modified instead of an aluminum adapter.

Just an adapter will be $30 shipped.
The Complete LPR Kit will be $55 shipped.
All parts and orings are included as well Direct Mount ASA modification if you wish to send that part in.
Orders will be filled as received. Paypal payments should be sent to [email protected]
If you decide to order, post here or PM me in addition to including your information with Paypal.
If paypal is not your payment medium of choice, PM me for more info.

Trades are accepted. (Preferably Glock magazines)

[Looper]

I'll commit to buying two adapters for $60. Please PM me when and at what PP MO address I should send the money to.

If you would do the ASA is there a particular make/model that works best so I may purchase those to send in?

Thanks

[warbeak2099]

Will this have better efficiency than Ticklers? Ticklers need way higher pressures because of their lack of volume. They waste so much air.

[Pneumagger]

Will this have better efficiency than Ticklers? Ticklers need way higher pressures because of their lack of volume. They waste so much air.

The mount should not change any properties of the WGP regs as the internal dimensions are nearly identical.
On a side note, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "need way higher pressures" and how the volume would effect this in the application.
Can you link me to the discussion thread?

Does anyone here running a gforce know the minimum output pressure for use with a ULT and RT on off?
Since the sear leg is extended, I'm guessing it will be somewhere in the 25-35psi range and work best with an RT on off.

[Pneumagger]

I'll commit to buying two adapters for $60. Please PM me when and at what PP address I should send the money to.

If you would do the ASA is there a particular make/model that works best so I may purchase those to send in?

Thanks

I find the CP direct mount ASA's are very easy to work with. They have a flat top and simply require a nice little 3/32" hole throught the top.
The CP on/off is a bit longer (awkward looking IMO) and requires the top to be faced off with an angled hole running from the top into a side output port.
You can find them in BSTs or on Ebay. They're not too pricey nowadays. I think Barb's PB retails them cheaply along with the WGP LPR.

Plus, who knows... maybe gforce will release the proper ASA for the frame.

My threading inserts shipped on the 14th, so when they get here I'll make a small quantity to keep onhand.
I can buy the mounting screws locally and orings are next day delivery.
Updates will be posted when testing occurs!

[BigEvil]

WOW, G-Force couldn't come up with something like this but Pneumagger could whip it up in his basement

[robertsr1811]

I would be in for one as well.

[Loguzzzzzz]

I am interested in one as well.

[Zone Drifter]

Wow, those look great! I sold my frame to Looper however no regrets, I can just make my own pneu again if I want.

[warbeak2099]

The mount should not change any properties of the WGP regs as the internal dimensions are nearly identical.
On a side note, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "need way higher pressures" and how the volume would effect this in the application.
Can you link me to the discussion thread?

Does anyone here running a gforce know the minimum output pressure for use with a ULT and RT on off?
Since the sear leg is extended, I'm guessing it will be somewhere in the 25-35psi range and work best with an RT on off.

I mean that you aren't going to be able to trip the sear consistently running 25psi into a Tickler. They need to be run at higher pressures than other LPR's because of the lack of volume. You can't do 15-20bps consistently with a Tickler at 25psi. You'd need to be running it a lot higher to get a reliable rof on these frames. Which would suck because you're wasting a lot more gas than you need to.

Example: Ticklers on cockers need to be jacked up a lot higher than a larger LPR which translates to more kick. They are small and that's great and all, but they sacrifice the ability to handle higher rofs at low pressures.

[Smoothice]

You can't do 15-20bps consistently with a Tickler at 25psi. .

Good thing I can't shoot faster then 14 bps

[Hilltop Customs]

Nice little adapter Pneumagger!

shooting 15-25bps while worrying about the tiny decrease in efficiency because of a higher LPR setting. lol

If your really worried about efficiency that much you should adjust the ram piston to have minimum pre-travel before impacting the sear extender, and also install a sear stop. This will minimize the required volume of air required by the ram per stroke. Dont forget to cut the absolute minimum length of airline between the ram and 3 way.

Hell that might make the tickler usable @ lower pressures since it would decrease the flow requirement. Or you could just crank it up, and lose a couple shots per tank oh noes!

[warbeak2099]

Cranking it up is also going to affect the trigger pull. That's a big problem IMO.

[Hilltop Customs]

Any reg with a similar diameter piston is going to have the same problems. Lower pressure mean lower forces acting on the reg piston....lower forces mean a greater lag in the reg response. Using a spring with the optimum spring coefficient for the required pressures, or maximizing the piston diameter will be the only way to TRY to circumvent the problem. I say try because its possible to lower it the lag, but it will still be there.

I really dont think a increase in 5-10 psi is going to be noticeable, cant say for sure cause I didnt buy a frame. Easy enough for anyone with the frame to try though. Hell if people area already using the mentioned LPRs there should be no difference in performance.

What it comes down to for the folks with this frame is either this little adapter, an external LPR, or waiting it out to see if G-Force comes through. This is a great option since it lets you use a common cheap LPR that can be resold in the future if G comes through. This option allows you to avoid having an vert ASA drilled and tapped along with a rail milled for the airline....both of which are useless if G comes through with internal LPRs.

Good luck Pneumagger, way to notice a customers base in need of a simple solution

[skyless]

Count me in for one. Send payment info, i can do mo but paypal is easier. Thanks pneumagger this is great.