Hyperframe... Hyper-headache!

[Pirate_X]

So last night I went with Slushee to pick up his new Hyperframe, in from Centerflag....

We get to his place, pull off the old frame, install it as per Centerflag's beautiful 3.5 colour manual, turn it on, pull the trigger, and...

nothing...

The solenoid wasn't firing... So we call up Centerflag, and they inform us that the marker has to be gassed in order for the solenoid to fire.... It's 6:15 PM... And Jay's tank only has 400psi in it... About to give up hope, we start calling around to local scuba shops, looking for a fill... We find one guy that's willing to stay open... We drive out there, get him to fill it, get back, gas up the marker, pull the trigger, and......


again, nothing....

Solenoid STILL wasn't firing... Not only that, but pushing the sear up using the small access hole near the back of the frame wasn't even causing it to fire...

So the marker is fully gassed up to like 800psi, and we have no way of releasing any pressure....

So a quick paper-rock-scissors later, I hid in the corner while Jay cut the macro line with a pair of scissors in one hand, plugging one of his ears with the other....

Take the marker apart again, throw the manual frame back on (to make sure the problem wasn't with Centreflag's on/off pin), gas it up, and it fires perfectly....

Open up AO, pull up Hitech's Hyperframe FAQ (amazing FAQ by the way, Hitech), and start reading... We pull out the safety to get some better access... Throw the hyperframe BACK on, gas it up again... This time it will fire by pushing up on the sear manually through the hole, but the solenoid still won't fire... then we realize that the sear isn't making contact with the solenoid... So loosen it up, move it all the way to the back, gas it up again... The solenoid was firing, but not the marker....

Turns out the on-off pin was too short... Unforunately, we didnt' have a longer on/off, so we screwed around for about 4 hours with different configurations of electrical tape...

What a mess it was... And don't even get me started about the bumper (dubbed the "rubber baby bumper") that we had to put behind the solenoid plunger....

Long story short, it was a mess....

Which begs the question.... If you spend $300 on something, and you need to use electrical tape to make it work... What EXACTLY are you spending your dough on?

Has anybody else had this problem? Is there another solution, other than just a longer on/off pin?

[Tunaman]

You already found the solution. Put the stock frame back on. If I have a nickel for every hyperframe I threw in the lagoon I would be a rich man today. I gave up on these a long time ago. They are classic junk. :o

[Pirate_X]

Yeah, if it was actually my frame/mag, then I would probably be crying... I think he's going to call Centreflag and attempt to ream them out in the hopes of getting a longer on/off pin....

[Enemy]

centerflag will be more than happy to replace the on/off pin they have great service but the frame is crap... i couldnt get it to work at all with on my new mag with a lvl 10 in it and on my brothers old mag all it does is blend even when the ball is completly in the breach!!!! screw this and save up for e-mag

[slushee]

LOL well Pirate you beat me to it ... I spent so much time writing this, i'm gonna post it if only to rant ... I can't say ENOUGH BAD THINGS ABOUT CENTERFLAG ...

My Brand New Hyperframe ~ Chapter 1

Okay .. so I finally get the money to buy myself a BRAND NEW Hyperframe w the 20bps board ... I was thinking of selling the mag and getting an angel but no ... let's get myself an electronic frame and keep this wonderfully reliable marker that I have put blood, sweat and tears into for over 6 years.

So I order it from www.canadianpaintball.com w/o paying taxes or shipping (xmas sale) .. and they lost my order
Once I got that all figured out and re-ordered it took 10-12 day's of me sitting patiently in the corner drooling all over myself in anticipation!

The day arrives .. the box appears in my hands ... I sit down ... imagining the joys of an electronic trigger only MOMENTS away .....

I pull out the plastic box that's filled with yellow and black cardboard .. hmmm ... well packaging is packaging ....

I hear the gentle pop of the plastic tabs as I spring open the lid .... starting at me is, at first glance, a shiney new hyperframe... I drool ... and stare ... and drool some more.

I finally work up enough nerve to touch it .... the grips are plastic ... and the white writing kind of takes away from the over look but what the heck .. it's "electronic" ...

I pick it up and it doesn't feel nearly as good as my dye trigger frame but as I pull the trigger gently to hear the "click" for the very first time ... I drool some more...

Okay ... so i pull out the instructions ... interestingly they look like they were printed off of my crappy inkjet printer I have shoved in the corner .. but what the heck .. they are only directions ..

Seems simple enough ..replace the on/off pin and oring ... slide the frame on ... and *presto* ....

So I follow the directions to the T ... as I pull open the one grip panel to expose the electronics, I notice some marks and scratches on the aluminum frame ... hmmm .... shouldn't this be a new frame?! Ummmm well .. it IS an electronic frame AND the pull is sweet .. so what the hell .. i have a black marker to cover those spots.

I pull away the panel and look at the LCD display ... black line that looks like a scratch? down the middle?! hmmmm i rub it a bit with my finger ... the black rubs away to produce a small scratch directly down the middle of the LCD ... ??? Hmmm ...ummm well, you REALLY can't see it that well .... so let's plug the battery in to see if the frame works ...

I plug in the battery .. the grip lights up ... everything looks fine ... I pull the trigger ... the solinoid doesn't fire ... hmmm this is interesting .... everything is set ... hmm

So I call Centerflag sorta in disbelief at this point and they took me through a few things to set the right service numbers and what not and told me to gas up the marker. I have no gas

So I hang up abrubptly to run out and get compressed air before the scuba place closes ... unfortunatly before I tell them about the scratches on the frame and LCD ...

I come back ... almost in a panic ... then I gass her up and "click" ... the solinoid doesn't fire.....

okay .... so it's closing time for Centerflags and I cannot call them so I look to my friend Pirate for help, if only emotionally.

So we read, re-read, memorize really, the hyperframe faq on here and tag-team trying to absorb everything there is on AO for the hyperframe.

Inexplicably, after about 45 minutes the solioid starts to fire by itself ... and we really didn't change anything on the frame.... ?? Well at least that fires now I think.

So we continue for 1 .... then 2 .... then 3 ... then 4 .... then 5 hours ...

Trying everything in the book. Turns out the solinoid wasn't secured either by the set screws so that had to be 'fixed' during our work.

We managed to get the solinoid in position fine but to make it fire, we had to insert a rubber bumper between the solinoid and the aluminium of the frame ... ??? This made no sense but my friend read it in one of the posts and it seems to work.

We have the frame now firing reliably but it doesn't quite fire the marker .. it only 1/2 fires it ... you pull the trigger and the marker starts to hiss .. and if you push on the sear in the open hole in the back, very very gently, the marker will fire ....

Anyhow ... to make an already long story somewhat shorter ... I plan on calling Center flags tommorrow or the next day but it's hard because I sleep all day due to working till 3am

I must admit that I am so very upset with the quality from Centerflags and can think of so many other things I would have rather spent my money on then this frame....


...... I will update you all as this fiasco continues ... as I can't imagine a quick close to this epic tale.......

[DeeEight]

are the old Booyah frames any better/worse?

[slushee]

I alway's heard that the booyah frames were worse ... man, do I feel sorry for THOSE guys...

[chizle97]

oi dont get me started. after fooling with the thing for about a 1/2 hour i said "wooa not for me" "even if it is electronic"

[hitech]

The BEST solution to the on/off pin length is the ULE Trigger Kit (ULT). The top portion of Centerflags on/off pin (the “head”) is too long, limiting the travel. However, prior to the ULT it had the smallest diameter bottom portion (the “shaft”), which lessened the force require to fire the marker. The ULT has a much smaller bottom portion and requires much less force than the Centerflag on/off pin. Bottom line, get a ULT and your hyperframe will probably work fine.

[hitech]

Originally posted by slushee
Turns out the solinoid wasn't secured either by the set screws so that had to be 'fixed' during our work.

THAT is very important. I really think that the ULT will make everything much better. BTW, I STRONGLY suggest you use the service mode settings in my FAQ and DO NOT use the stock settings or the ones suggested by Centerflag.

Have you seen the video I posted of the hyperframed level 10 minimag shooting at 20bps fullauto? The do work when setup properly.

[slushee]

I'll test that out tonight Hitech ... maby you could pm me and see if we could get this working? I could REAAAAAAALy use the help man

:)

I wish I didn't get off work at 3am cuz the neighbours don't really enjoy my marker firing off over and over again ... needless to say my roommates either

** edit ** I can't get the ULT trigger cuz i have an RT Pro Valve that has the single on/off top oring instead of the 2 orings ... so I have to get my valve drilled out

[slushee]

BRAND NEW Hyperframe ~ Chapter 2

So I get on the phone and call Centerflags ..

I'm greated by "hey .. what's up"..

This guy sounded as sketchy as the hyperframe looks .. so I proceded to tell this guy what my problems were and that I 'think' maby, just maby, the on/off pin isn't long enough.

After each question, this guy's muffeles the phone and asks someone else .. and after the 6th time, I start to get somewhat annoyed.

During this conversation the guy basically reiterated what I was telling him back to me .. he sounded so very shakey and unsure ... honestly, nothing he said made any sense and was contradicting himself.

So I finally said "So what do I need to fix this issue" .. he tells me "you need a longer on/off pin". Okay I say ... can you send me one? ... "one moment" .. muffeled voice, "do we send these things out?!"

OMG I can't believe these people still get business!

So he said please hold and a nice sounding young lady procedes to tell me that I need to buy an on/off pin that will cost me $50?!?!?!?!

WTF?!?!?

So I start yelling about how i'm now supposed to pay $50 for a pin that's worth $8 from AGD ... she really didn't have much to say to that other then "we have to buy them from another company" ...

They told me that if I stick a lvl 7 bolt on the marker I can send it in for free warrenty work but if I have the lvl 10 bolt on the marker, I have to buy this $50 ULT on/off pin ..... does that make sense to anyone? I don't HAVE a ULT trigger kit on my mag. That pin will NOT fit on the current on/off .. will it?!

WoW ... so I basically hung up on them and plan on calling them back on monday to figure out this mess ...

God I hope hitech responds to my PM's with better news then what I got from that company ...

Man, I sure do hope someone learns from my mistake..

[slushee]

BRAND NEW Hyperframe ~ Chapter 3

I break down and call AGD .. to at least see about getting an on/off pin that might work.

My Saviour JonAGD picks up and even remembers me from the SuperTour back in 2001! (thanks Jon, I needed that)

After a friendly discussion trying to figure out what might be wrong Jon explains that the LVL 10 bolt w/o the ULT trigger kit makes the on/off too stiff for the hyperframe solinoid to push .. which is why my marker only 1/2 fires.

Basically he told me to get this frame to work, i'll need to get my valve drilled out and the ULT kit installed.. and even provided the names of ppl he knew who does it (BradAGD over at Paintball Maxx in TX).

So I call Brad up and he say's for $80 he'll drill/install/test my marker to make sure the hyperframe works ....

I swear to god everyone even remotely involved with Airgun Designs are the best Americans this Canadian has EVER met :)

So after playing pb this w/e with my Dye trigger frame, I guess i'll be packing up my marker and sending her off into the wild blue younder to see what BradAGD can do for me

:)

The first bit of actual good news yet ...
Sad to say though this will have to go on the 'ole Credit Card and I'll be working my butt off to pay for it This Hyperframe is seeming to be quite a bit more expensive then I had originally anticipated .... that and the approx 5 minutes the instructions say to get this thing working .. ha! .. 5 minutes my ..........

[hitech]

You could put the level 7 back in and get Centerflag to give you a longer on/off pin. Once they get it working then replace the level 7 bolt with the level 10 kit. Oil the on/off pin well (I suggest KC Trouble Free oil) and it will probably work. However, even though it is more expensive, the ULT is really the way to go. Good luck.

[slushee]

I think both Jon and hitech are right .. I will have to get the valve drilled out for the ULT trigger kit...

... the epic continues ...