Rant : Reffing in Recball, a friendly "How to" guide from a rec-ball player

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  • Tyger
    video /k radio star
    • Oct 2002
    • 1210

    #1

    Rant : Reffing in Recball, a friendly "How to" guide from a rec-ball player

    This has been bothering me today. See, I went to go play, and I had what could best be described as a "Bad" day. Guns didn't work. Paint broke in my barrels a lot. You know, all the "Bad Karma" stuff that tells you that you shoulda stayed in bed. But I kept on. Why? I was already up and I'm too darn stubborn to go back to bed once I'm at the field. Stubborn or stupid, I'm not certain.

    But that's not really the problem here. The problem is that in the last few times I've played, I've seen almost an acceptance of things that REALLY offend me. Today it was on steroids. But let me address one of those things.

    Refs. I never thought I'd have to say this, but it's necessary. If you're reffing, please do not do the following :

    Do not cuss at customers. We find it offensive
    Do not cuss at 10-13 year old customers. That's just plain wrong.
    Do not throw your ref shield into the ground while cussing at the customers.
    Do not casually cuss amongst yourselves when you're refilling tanks or getting player's paint.
    Do not assume that you are a diety. You are not.
    Do not assume we are there to amuse you, or to fund your shiny electro-whatever you have in lay-away in the shop.
    Do not treat a recreational, walk on game as a tournament. And if you're going to do it anyway, then you better be prepared to react to situations in kind. Like when someone calls "Paintcheck", please be kind enough to check the player for paint : not just stand there looking like a cow eating grass.

    And while I'm at it, please do the following :
    DO learn how to CORRECTLY use a hand-held chrony. If you use it improperly, you will get false readings. And please dont' act astonished when somoene who knows HOW to use one properly shows you.
    DO learn how to CORRECTLY chronograph other paintguns than the one you have in the pro shop on layaway.
    DO interact with the playing customers as people, at least a little. I like to see where my money is going. And personally, I find it reassuring when the refs actually ask me "How are you doing?" or "Having a good day?" It shows me they actually want us to have fun.
    DO take care of the fields between games, especially when your indoor surface can shift like dirt or sand. Kicking it back to high traffic areas is not a bad idea.

    Now why do I put all that in there? In the last few outings I played, I watched what I would consider less-than-competent refs do their 'job'. And what it consisted of was, at best, a ref standing on each side of the field watching passively and yelling "He's out." at random intervals. At worst, the referee staff cussing at players for stepping out of a non-existant "Start box" and breaking rules that were never told to us in orientation or pre-game instructions.

    And what gets me is that the players actually sat and took the abuse! There was a distinct feeling of "Oh, we're sorry! Please don't beat us with the rubber hose again!" I was more than a little miffed at being treated like I did something wrong because the ref is having a bad time OR becasue a new player who didn't kow better did somehting they found offensive. Gosh, pardon me. I thought I was, indirectly, supporting you, your team, and your own paintball habit. And you're going to call me a what, exactally? If you can't handle the pressure of squeeging rentals or telling that new guy to put his goggles on for the fifth time, don't ref. Or at least don't take it out on the customers, ok?

    Look, if you're reffing a game for players who dropped over $120 to be there and breathe the air, you better make their experience worth at least $120. I'm not saying you should roll over, bow, scrape, and otherwise be servants here, but you can be a little courteous, and not treat people like cattle or convicts. Is that too much to ask? Rec-ball is entertainment, please treat it as such.

    And the players, you have some power in this too. If a ref is abusive to you or your group, leave. You don't have to put up with paying someone to give you grief. Would you pay someone to rub your hamburger in thier armpit? NO! Why should you have to take bad or abusive reffing? It's your money, the least you can do it spend it wisely.

    There's more to this. But for now, this will do. I'll wait 'till later to write the other things that are really bugging me.

    -Tyger


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  • danheneise
    Registered User
    • Jan 2003
    • 531

    #2
    hmm, sadly that sounds to similar to a normal day of recball at sc village here in SoCAL, there usually are a few "good" refs but most of them have the majority of the characteristics that you listed. infact i was actually supprised at 2 of the refs who complemented my automag when it was mostly stock

    The worst day i have had at sc village, was when my sister, my freind and I decided to give advanced a try. Right off the bat they had about 8 players with fairly high end guns say they would be the only ones on their team so that made about 8vs20. We were like "ok...sure" and just went along with it. As we were walking back to our starting position and were pulling our plugs ready for the whistle to blow we heard a substantial amount of gunfire behind us, as we looked back we saw about 3-5 of the opposite teams players standing up on a hill unloading in our general direction. Finally they got them back to their starting possition and we played a very good and fair game.

    Later in the day though it became extremely unfair as with one round we got the whistle to start the game, and as we ran out of our starting area the opposing team was already in our faces once again unloading on us but it was still only 3 guys, i'm guessing they probably snuck away from their team and hid on our side until the game started. I got lucky and was able to dodge incoming shots and slide into a very small ditch while my friend got quite unlucky and got hit out right off the break. Now i understand that in speed ball, if you get hit off the break it's pretty understandable as you start off looking directly at the other teams starting gate, but when your in a very dense forest, that's kind of hard to do without being in each other's face. After the break and quite a few of us getting hit right away the game commenced fairly well.

    What ticks me off is that in both instances the refs did absolutly nothing except to tell them to get back to the starting possition. And in the game that they started basically on our side, the ref that was with our team did nothing even though he was in a perfect place to have seen them before the game started.

    As you mentioned above, Tyger, all they do seem to care about is making money for their own "lay away equipment" and boy is that so true.

    The two other parks i have been to have been exceptionally great with reffing, especially Hollywood Sports, which i doubt i will be going to again mainly because of driving distances. but the reffing was absolutly outstanding, THEY ACTUALLY CALLED PEOPLE OUT!!! rather than just randomly saying "Dead Man" as the refs at sc village do. The only bad thing about the refs at Hollywood Sports is that they seem to be fairly lonely guys, as they couldn't stop hitting on my sister

    Another park I have been to is Tombstone located fairly close to sc village. This park had just as excellent reffing as Hollywood sports park did and I will most likely be going there this next time

    One thing i will mention that is good about the sc village refs is that they don't take any BS about safety and are very strict about it, ex: first time without a mask on is a warning, second time is getting kicked out of the park, they always watch to make sure all the players come out with their barrel plugs/socks on their guns. This safety i must say wasen't experienced as much at Hollywood and Tombstone, in fact at Hollywood it seemed to me that they were more strict about checking everyone's hopper to make sure they're using field paint than they were that people had their barrel plugs in.

    Well i guess that's all my ranting for now mainly because i'm tired and my arms hurt from typing so much

    Dan Heneise

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    • shartley
      paintball player
      • Mar 2001
      • 9169

      #3

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      • Severe
        Leader of Lililputions
        • Feb 2002
        • 315

        #4
        Nice post. I'm now waiting for the "How to be a GOOD customer" post. This should apply to walk-on's, regulars, and first-timers. (Unfortunately, the people who need to read it the most probably never will.)

        - If you're playing a rec-ball field, DO NOT play as if it's a tourney.
        - Even if the Ref is 13, listen to him/her.
        - OBEY the local field rules.
        - Be respectful of other cusotmers.
        - I don't care if you have 100 trillion-billion years of paintball experience, if you're playing against a first-timer take their new-ness in to consideration. Ideally we wantt them to become second, third, etc -timers.
        - Be an ambassador to the sport. If they have questions, no matter how ridiculous they sound, answer them politely and to the best of ability.
        - Support your local fields.

        I'm sure there are more.

        Just some basic rules I try to follow.

        Steve
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        • krafty
          Senior Discount
          • Jun 2001
          • 1124

          #5
          Originally posted by Severe
          - If you're playing a rec-ball field, DO NOT play as if it's a tourney.
          I really wish some of the players at our field could follow this one. I'm not as concerned about the refs as I am about a few select players who seemingly can't play a fun game of paintball. They're switch is on either OFF or TOURNAMENT. What's worse is they'll try to stack a team with all their teammates so they can 'practice', but they do it against rentals, newbies, and people who are there to have fun... not become cannon fodder.

          Some of us actually go to the field to enjoy ourselves and have a good time, not practice bunkering moves on a 12 year old carrying a hand-me-down spyder.

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          • Spaceman613
            Guinness taste tester
            • Jan 2002
            • 550

            #6
            Dont "stack" the teams. make them reasonably fair. Saturday i was playing at Tri_City in the chicago burbs and they seemed to forget that 3 or 4 tourney guys on the same team doesnt make it fun for the renters that had to face them.

            And dont use your tourney gun against newbies. Try to let them have fun. use a pump, or maybe a rental semi. AND DONT TAKE PODS! Hopperball against renters isnt that difficult for a seasoned player.
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            • FallNAngel
              Registered User
              • Apr 2003
              • 1076

              #7
              Players:
              - Keep the new players in mind... we want them to come back, not run away crying.
              - Don't shoot the refs unless absolutely necessary

              Refs:
              - Don't just stand there relying on people to call themselves out. I'm not saying you should stand in the streams of paint, but if you're not getting hit, you're probably not doing your job.
              - If someone calls for a paintcheck, make it your first priority

              Last time I was at pbshooters, in IL, the refs couldn't have been worse. They'd stand on either side of the 50... that's it. No paint checks, nothing. It being an airball field, obviously balls can bounce off the bunkers. I was trying to snapshoot another player out of my mirror, and as I came out, I accidentally hit the bunker, causing the shot to bounce off and hit the ref. Then the ref complains that I'm shooting him No break, no paint... the ball just hit him.

              Same day, one of my friends (who was a head ref for several years) called for a ref to paintcheck another player. The ref, who was definately close enough to hear him, stood there and did nothing. So he shot him and told him to go check the player. Nothing, shoots him again and tells him to check. I believe it was 3 times he had to shoot the ref before the ref actually moved. If a ref is scared of being hit, they shouldn't be reffing.
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              • Jeffy-CanCon
                veteran rec player
                • May 2003
                • 1309

                #8
                Wow, Rob. You had a bad day!

                I think I'm lucky (or have really good karma). My home field (PaintStorm, in Ottawa) has really good refs, and so does the place I visit most often in the USA (EMR). That all starts at the top, though. You need good management to have good refs. The Refs at PaintStorm are trained and supervised by a NAPRA and WPRC certified guy with 15 years of experience.

                Severe - good thoughts.

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                Secretary
                The Canadian Contingent Paintball Club
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                • pito189
                  viking
                  • Oct 2001
                  • 2093

                  #9
                  Re: Rant : Reffing in Recball, a friendly "How to" guide from a rec-ball player

                  Originally posted by Tyger

                  DO interact with the playing customers as people, at least a little. I like to see where my money is going.
                  You have played for awhile so I will cut you some slack, but seriously have you ever reffed?

                  You have to know that refs get paid peanuts if that.

                  So just take it in stride, do what you can at the field or talk to the owner. Whining on a message board about how bad the refs where because you had a bad day isn't going to accomplish anything.

                  :)
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                  • RoadDawg
                    Degeneration X is back
                    • May 2001
                    • 4023

                    #10
                    My favorite is when the ref has a shield and stands in the main lane. Not only do I hit him and his shield but he protects everyone running behind him.

                    Pito- If they don't get paid much that is there own fault. They took the job so they should make the customers happy. Just my 2 cents.
                    Sorry, I'm old

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                    • tony3
                      LOOKING FOR AN ASIAN GF!!!
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 3740

                      #11
                      PBshooters refs are completely terrible, they do nothing at all, just point and rarely say a word, and god forbid if you hit them they go nuts.

                      Country Clubs refs are decent, I was asking for a paint check on this one kid forever and they just looked from about 10 ft. away and said he was clean, even though he had a hit on one of his pods

                      Badlandz refs seem like they are always high and usually never do anything, but there are a few good refs

                      Challenge Park, imo the new fleet of refs are the best of any field around here. They are very friendly and nice. They also will do something, if you call for a paint check they will go check the person, if challenge had some speedball fields I'd go there much more.

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                      • pito189
                        viking
                        • Oct 2001
                        • 2093

                        #12
                        Originally posted by RoadDawg
                        Pito- If they don't get paid much that is there own fault. They took the job so they should make the customers happy. Just my 2 cents.
                        Everytime I have reffed it's to help keep the day of play going, or even to get it started.

                        How many times have you reffed because you thought to yourself I need to make all these customers happy?

                        Also it's not their own fault they don't get paid a lot. The field owner choses how much the refs get paid, they don't have any control over it.
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                        • hitech
                          Not a shedder of vortices
                          • Nov 2001
                          • 4775

                          #13
                          Re: Rant : Reffing in Recball, a friendly "How to" guide from a rec-ball player

                          Originally posted by Tyger


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                          • RoadDawg
                            Degeneration X is back
                            • May 2001
                            • 4023

                            #14
                            Originally posted by pito189


                            Everytime I have reffed it's to help keep the day of play going, or even to get it started.

                            How many times have you reffed because you thought to yourself I need to make all these customers happy?

                            Also it's not their own fault they don't get paid a lot. The field owner choses how much the refs get paid, they don't have any control over it.
                            I don't ref. I play. As a customer I want the ref's to make me, the customer, happy by keeping things fair. It is the refs choice to work there or not. So YES they do have control over it. If the payment is their gripe then move onto something else.
                            Sorry, I'm old

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                            • Lee
                              Team Trigger Happy
                              • Nov 2002
                              • 2395

                              #15
                              i ref and don't get paid. i get wholesale prices on whatever i buy within reason.

                              i ref because i love to as much as i love to play and also because you learn from reffing. you get to watch players of all ages and skill levels and see what they do and what does/doesn't work.

                              i like helping new players out as well. i have a fair amount of experience in a lot of aspects of the game and i enjoy teaching it to others.

                              thats what it's about to me.

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