The NPPL won't allow my RT mag

[Lethargic]

I just got back from NPPL Huntington Beach last night, and I have a few disturbing facts to share with you all. First off, my mag (x-valve, lx w/2.0 carrier, short spring, no shims, ULT with 3 shims, running 850 input) was disqualified due to "trigger bounce" It was discovered by the ref that if my trigger was pulled very slowly over the course of 5-10 seconds, it would cause the gun to fire a 2-shot burst. I had never even tried this before, and never would have thought to because it is essentially useless, but nonetheless, My gun was DQ'd for the day. I didn't have the time change my configuration, so it stayed out of commision the whole tournament.

What really disturbed me was the comment I heard form another ref, that " at least 95%" of all RT mags can be disqualified in this way. He went on to say that he hadn't seen ANY mechanical mags that were legal under NPPL rules.

It really doesn't make me happy to hear any of that, especially since I already have a ULT. I absolutely love this mag, and have never been happier with any other marker. I emailed AGD about this last night, so hopefully they have a solution. When I get a reply, I'll post it up here.

PS, anyone have any ideas how else to reduce bounce?

[TraXeR]

What psi are you running at, I think a lower psi input will lower your 'bounce' chance. Not sure, but it might. This might be something you can find out in the tech forum.

[Lethargic]

a lower input might fix it, but I have an 850 psi preset.

I was posting this more as a heads up to anyone who might be thinking aobut using a mag in NPPL events in the future.

[cphilip]

This is how I test mine before going to a tournament and I have always been able to get it out. Might want to do this yourself and do some adjusting. May even take some messing with input pressure as well. Not much but I found a few presets that were way to high and not adjustable. That becomes a problem and is why I always encourage a RTP user to use an adjustable tank. But for the most part I can get it allmost all out if not all out even with those. The ULT helps do that as well.

There are not many markers out there now a days you cannot get to do that though. Not just RT's. This guy might be the same guy I have run into before. There are a some of them... they look only where they want too. But I got news for him.... a lot of the others are illegal too. AND some of the other ones CANNOT be fixed. That RT can be.

[Miscue]

I wonder how many cheating electros were allowed by this ref. I think DQing your RTP is just plain stupid... that's far from flagrant trigger bounce.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Lethargic
a lower input might fix it, but I have an 850 psi preset.

I was posting this more as a heads up to anyone who might be thinking aobut using a mag in NPPL events in the future.

Your input may NOT be 850 no matter what the tank is supposed to be. You need to measure it and check. Just to know where you are. I got a Crossfire here that a kid had this same issue with that after all I did I was still getting a little bounce. So finaly I stuck a guage in his other side of his screw in on off and it was like a tad over 900. Maybe 925. Brand new tank. We got it all out in spite of that with a ULT kit adjustment.

We already know this. Its been going on for years. Its the rules though. Always has been. Good thing is most of them are checking ALL kinds of markers now. You would be suprised how many others are doing it now. Not just RTP's. That guy is training himself to rumors and myths more than anything. But his job is to check them all that way. And he should be finding a lot of other markers doing things like that.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Miscue
I wonder how many cheating electros were allowed by this ref. I think DQing your RTP is just plain stupid... that's far from flagrant trigger bounce.

Agreed. No way you could duplicate that in a game. And in fact recently an occasional single bounce event was supposed to be overlooked if it took some effort to produce that could not be duplicated in play. And that was supposed to be the rule made plain to all NPPL refs. This one must have not gotten the memo....

[cphilip]

...in fact you should write a nice and respectfull letter to Bill Cookston and explain who and when it happened. Make sure its not like whining or anything. But what you describe is not what Bill told them to do.

[Lethargic]

whcih way do you adjust the ULT to make it bounce less? More shims or less? we had a short break and i took out 2 of my 3 shims, but that gave me a ton of bolt stick, and I just gave up because I had to get ready for another game.

[RoadDawg]

Ouch. No wonder I didn't see any mags. I could of probably offered my 45/4500 flatline but it probably would've been to small.

[tjmpaintball06]

sorry bout the DQ. i'm sure if you politely informed them about the problem they would fix it.

[GT]

adjustible, adjustable adjustible.... cant say it enough on a mech mag. any small amount of bounced can be killed with a 600-650psi input.

jb

[GT]

also make sure that you are screwing in the field strip with an allen wrech.

[joshweinerhead]

i thought the ULT killed all trigger bounce?

[wobbles82]

When I had a ULT it actually made the bounce go crazy. I am pretty sure it was more shims that made it more reactive, try doing some less. And yes, an adjustable will do wonders. I used my ULE RTPX last year in Jersey with no problems at all, refs did seem to check it a bit more than our Timmys and all, but they really come down on E-Cockers and RT guns. BUT ! He really should not have fired that many shots..I dunno what he was doing, its pretty much 3 shots standard, maybe he did feel something before the intial 10 shots.