vert feed vs. power feed: vote

[ramsee1]

So I've been thinking that vertical feeds are better than power feeds (being available on a lot of higher end markers), but I am not so sure lately. It seems that balls would feed faster vertically, but blowback would greatly work against you when there aren't that many balls in the hopper. As an example, having my hopper lid open on a vert feed with two balls left and the second ball almost taking my head off (luckily deflected by the lid). The point being, I would think a vertical would be the cause of more ball choppage. I know there are a lot of variables, so for argument sake, lets limit it to a mag with powerfeed, and a mag with vert feed, both having a 12v revvy hopper. What's your opinion??

[Predater]

i would think vert feed would be the same as standered feed on a mag. its not that much of a difrence in angle. i own a standered feed and havnt really had any of the problems that have ben talked about. ive owned it 6 years and have put a lot of paint through it too. but since i got my rt i can tell a difrence in feed rate. the powerfeed is faster than standered. thus i would emagin it is faster than vert because the vert feed is practicly the same as standered.

just my opinion.

[headcase]

On the extreme end of preformance the powerfeed will out feed a vert feed on ANY marker. From what I understand it isn't all because of blowback either. From what I understand about it "bolt deflection" plays a big part in it as well. In vert and standard feed markers when the bolt moves forward to chamber a ball, the next ball in the feed tube is knocked back up the feed tube a little. With a powerfeed the ball doesn't go back up the tube, it bounces off the feed and right back into the chamber.

When the pro's started using verts it was because it was assumed it was the fastest way to feed, no one actually did any tests(except TK of course!)

This is why the HALO guys used E-framed powerfeed mags and E-mags in testing. This combination allowed them to really see what the HALO was capable of.

With a revy, the bottle neck was the hopper it's self, with a HALO the feed is the bottle neck. Does this mean we will start seeing more powerfeed markers? Unfortunatly, probably not.

[ramsee1]

Keep em coming.

Thanks for your answers. Yeah really, why won't we see more markers with powerfeeds? I think in that automag video it is explained very well the advantages of having one.
On a side note (speaking of the video), I know it is around 10 years old so I don't know if it still holds true, but my wife said Tom K. was looking a little thin in the video. She told me to invite him over to dinner for a home-cooked meal. So if you're out there Tom, how about it? Wives are funny.

[Predater]

Re: Keep em coming.

Originally posted by ramsee1
Thanks for your answers. Yeah really, why won't we see more markers with powerfeeds?

i wont clutter your thread but this has to be sad. the vert feed is populer by good marketing . people think it is the best.

[soilent green]

p/f is better on a mag especially because of alot of blowback closed bolt guns like cockers arn't quite as bad the only advantage to center feed over p/f is it centers your hopper two cockers one standard feed one center the stand. bobbled one ball out and the cent. bobled it but not out p/f is the best in my humble oppinion but it is a little annoying

[Vex]

POWERFEED!! Vert feed is probably worse than standard feed. The only reason that vert feed was introduced is because it's totally universal (ambidexterous)--meaning you don't need to worry about buying a hopper left or right gun. It also streamlines your profile more (re: less hopper hits.) It is simply a tactical advantage--no more, no less.



P.S.--soilent green: What the HECK were you trying to say in your reply?! I think you need to go back and edit it, for my sanity!

[ramsee1]

Well I think something has to be done about this. A lot of people who don't know as much as you good folks are being led to believe that vert feeds are the best thing since sliced bread. I think its time for revolution... Or I'll just sit here on my computer and do nothing. Yeah, that sounds easier.

[Vex]

VIVA LA REVOLUCION!!

Hey, do you know what the best thing was before sliced bread?

The bread slicer.

I think I'll just sit here and do nothing too--it's really easy...

[jwyke]

Having put several cases through both a vert feed and powerfeed minimag, both equipped with a 12v, I'd have to say my vote is for the pf model. During high rof, the vert feed would occasionally chop a ball where the pf kept up with the pace.
Totally unscientific, I know, but that was what I noticed.

[ramsee1]

That's ok. I hold field testing in higher regard than i do textbook theory.

[dmorrow30]

I have two mags one with standard feed and one with powerfeed.They both have RT valves and 12v revy.I did not notice any differnce between the two.They both feed the same.I play with my standard feed mag the most.the powerfeed mag is my backup gun.powerfeed is overated......

Can someone tell me if the powerfeed was invented before or after a motorized hopper??????

[Predater]

pawerfeed was way before a motorized hopper. the motorized hopper doesnt help with blowback. unless you have halo or warp. all a revy does is keep balls from jaming in the hopper and not feeding. it was a grate invention but does not stop or help with the blowback of balls problem.

i have a standard feed mag and a power feed rt. standard feed is fine untill you wail on the trigger. then it tends to chop because of blowback and ball bounce off the bolt. the power feed cant keep up with the full auto reactiveness of the rt but does a hell of a lot better at it than standred feed. this is abservation of my own 2 guns over the past 5 years.

[dmorrow30]

I can wail on the trigger with the standard feed and still have no problem.All I'm saying is that I see no differince in powerfeed and standardfeed.I went through a whole case of paint with only two breaks.At both times I forgot to turn the hopper back on.That was with a standard feed.I'm even thinking of sell my powerfeed mag.And getting a different back up gun.

[Predater]

dmorrow30

are you using a retro or the standered air. with a retro i guarantee that the standard feed will be a blinder. with the air for the most part i dont nor ever did have real problems. id would out shoot the standard feed some but not bad. the retro will kill the paint in a standard feed thow.