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  • Fred
    AO Zealot
    • Feb 2002
    • 2624

    #1

    Letters To and From PMI regarding the "Evil" line of Products

    Hey all, I send a formal letter of complaint to PMI, to several of their email addresses actually, which can all be found here: http://www.pmipaintball.com/contact.htm

    I did not expect a response, but actually got not one, but two so far. I have not written a third time as of yet, but I feel it necessary to do so.

    Here they are, in order of being sent and recieved.
    Enjoy!

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    To whom is may concern,

    I am a paintball player, who has been using PMI paint
    almost exclusively for the past three years due to its
    proven track record of performing well in a myriad of
    conditions in my paintball markers.

    I also have used PMI products in the past, much to my
    satisfaction.

    However, I cannot express in words the level of disgust I
    feel towards your "Evil" line of products. These products
    promote everything that is bad in our little world of
    paintball. T-shirts that promote cheating, unsportsmanlike
    conduct, and disrespect for the officiators and the rules
    they uphold are absolutely unacceptable. The
    evil-paintball.com website is a disgrace to PMI. The
    descriptions of items include encouragement of
    fistfighting, and wiping paint breaks, as well as lying to
    the referees. Is this what PMI has become?

    Paintball is seen by many of the general public as a bad
    thing, a war game played by crazy people. Speedball and
    tournament play was one way that players tried in order to
    remove the stigma of "militia training in the woods." The
    addition of bright colored clothing, gear, etc, also
    promoted this. Your new line of Evil products sets back
    the public image of paintball a decade or more, as a game of
    uncivilized, ignorant folk who take pleasure in shooting
    each other.

    Paintball is supposed to be about fun. Cheating takes away
    the fun. Breaking the rules takes away the fun.

    Unsportsmanlike conduct is not something that players in
    other sports are rewarded for, and it is in fact a major
    penalty in all other major sports, Paintball should follow
    suite.

    I would like to urge PMI to reconsider what it is doing
    with this line of products. Will it sell? Probably. Will
    it have a positive effect on the sport? Definitely not.

    I for one, am saddened that a company that I once
    considered to be one of the most respectable has stooped
    so low. I am boycotting this "Evil" product line, and am
    encouraging all of my fellow paintball players to do the
    same. I hope the rest of PMI's products will not follow
    this style of advertising, but I am sure there are several
    other paint manufacturers that would be more than willing
    to accept my money for their products as well.

    Sincerely,
    Fred Klein
    Plymouth, MI

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    Dear Fred:

    Thank you for your e-mail and thank you for your support
    over your playing career.

    PMI is the exclusive distributor of all evil products.

    Evil is a new line which is very much on the leading edge
    of paintball technology. Because of this a more aggressive "tongue in cheek" advertising program was developed by the manufacture of these products to promote them.

    The overall response to Evil has been great. Evil
    acknowledge some of the problems our professional tournaments portray it does not endorse them! Evil is dedicated to the growth of our sport through the
    application of improved technology. I am sorry to hear you
    will not be taking advantage of many of the patent pending items the Evil line will offer.

    Thanks again for your input.

    Mike

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    Thank you for your response Mr. Lukas, I honestly did not
    expect one.

    I would like to follow up a little bit.

    Evil may well be the cutting edge. If it is indeed so, let
    the products speak for themselves and prove their prowess
    without the immature slang.

    I find it hard to believe that your marketing people are
    not endorsing unsportsmanlike conduct by including a
    squeegee your gloves. Ski and snowboarding gloves have
    squeegees to clean snow off of goggles, since a rag is hard
    to keep track of while traveling at 45mph down a steep
    slope, paintball gloves with such a feature do one thing:
    Allow for the possibility of covert cheating.

    If Evil is truely attempting to promote the sport, why
    isn't it called GOOD? A positive marketing plan could
    promote the technology you have developed, and it would
    inspire a better attitude among players, as opposed to the
    negative that seems to be permeating this product line.

    Sincerely,
    Fred Klein

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    Fred:

    The squeegee on the glove is a joke does not exist. That was a comment by a member of the media over far to many beers one night at World Cup.

    With no disrespect intended I think we need to concentrate our efforts on discouraging professional players from conducting sniper activity from the woods rather than condemning a product line which has the attitude
    "we have to be able to laugh at ourselves first in order to
    advance the sport". Evil is tongue in cheek always will be. Sorry we can't see common ground here but that is the nature of life sometimes.

    Your comments will be noted and brought up at the next product review meeting.

    Beat wishes.

    Mike

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    Furthur letters can be sent to [email protected]

    I would like to encourage all of my fellow AO members to write him and let him know just what you think.

    Thanks for reading all this,

    ---Fred
    Warp Feed Evangelist
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  • kevmaster
    Owners Group Div: Director
    • Oct 2001
    • 5475

    #2
    i too am surprized at the response. i think it has a lot to do with your character and the way you wrote the email, it wasnt a flame, yet a concern. i plan to write an email to them as soon as i have time...

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    • Webmaster
      Former Moderator

      • Oct 2000
      • 1765

      #3
      Hmm - someone needs to get out more. I saw a dye or a JT with a thing that looked like it would squeegee on the palm part of the thumb. I mean - why else would that part be there...

      I agree with you that thier new shirt line is over the top. Encouraging unsportsmanlike behavior is low. You dont see any football shirts prompting players to "yank on a face mask". While that would be edgy and tounge in cheek - doing so is unsportsmanlike (and penalized as so).

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      • Fred
        AO Zealot
        • Feb 2002
        • 2624

        #4
        should add...

        Oh, I forgot to put the website from which some of the stuff I talked about came from, its the product descriptions on the evil-paintball.com site, they are really over the top.



        I was not aware that any other companies made gloves with squeegees, only paint absorbing fabric... since I don't wear paintball gloves much, i don't notice stuff like that...

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        • theraidenproject
          Registered User
          • Jun 2001
          • 1240

          #5
          I have no idea what this thing does but i am sure it cant hurt your shoebox sized gun. plus it has an adjustment screw on the front and those are always good.
          (-our webmaster is crazy... this thing actually replaces the fill poppet AND firing rod. The adjusment screw is used to control how fast the air chamber refills, it's called dynamic regulation if you want to know. Should get an extra pod off with correct tuning. Bottomline, its dope, for the four guys who still use the 'shoebox'.)
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          • Meph
            AO's Tippmann Guy
            • Aug 2002
            • 737

            #6
            What do I think?

            I think they're poking fun of tournament players! They aren't promoting cheating, they are joking around about it. It's pretty obvious to me that this is how it sounds. A lot of companies and magazines are now doing these sarcastic quips.

            I don't think that this is the problem. The bigger problem that you should rather focus on is what people actually do that make companies like PMI actually have the ability to poke fun at them like this. If tournaments weren't so full of an overabundance of cheating and unsportsmanlike conduct, they wouldn't have made those marketing gimmicks in the first place!

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            • agdemagman69
              hehe 69 ^
              • Aug 2002
              • 896

              #7
              Evil does make great paint....

              I think you took this seriously

              Their making new products which will HELP the sport advance...

              there just having a little fun
              Last edited by agdemagman69; 11-06-2002, 09:02 AM.

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              • agdemagman69
                hehe 69 ^
                • Aug 2002
                • 896

                #8
                upon further inspection of the site I found this:

                LOL

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                • Fred
                  AO Zealot
                  • Feb 2002
                  • 2624

                  #9
                  Evil doesn't make great paint, RP Scherer makes great paint and puts little E's on them... the evil paint has been around for a while.
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                  • Spaceman613
                    Guinness taste tester
                    • Jan 2002
                    • 550

                    #10
                    Well, I dont really have any problems other than the shirts. I still would have liked them to read

                    "Cheaters live longer" on back "because they are suspended"

                    "Refs suck" on back "they caught me wiping"

                    "Overshooting is not a crime" on back "but it is punishable"

                    now THEN they would be tongue in cheek...

                    I can see some of the humor, maybe its just my mental instabilities, but the shirts are just pretty lame.
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                    • DiRTyBuNNy
                      Registered User
                      • Sep 2001
                      • 4854

                      #11
                      Well..I took a look around their website...did they make me laugh with their comments? yeah..they did..i have to admit it...but not in a good way...in a dirty standup comic who can't tell a joke without swearing type of way...It's funny...do i think it's appropriate? no..not at all...
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                      • BourneKiller
                        PBReview Mod
                        • Nov 2002
                        • 780

                        #12
                        I like how the PMI guy didn't really address the bad stuff directly. He just said "well I'm sorry you're not going to buy from us" and "we have to be tongue-in-cheek"

                        he didn't say anything about the crap they're promoting, he just more put it on YOU that you were stupid for even thinking about not getting Evil stuff...
                        Your gun sucks.

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                        • Creative Mayhem
                          AO's OFFICIAL CANUCK
                          • Apr 2002
                          • 3633

                          #13
                          Is their product line funny and amuzing? Sure it is. Would I buy or condone the purchase of their products by paintballers? Heck NO. Their attitude my be "tongue in cheek", but some players believe the marketing hype and think "it is written, so it shall be done." I will not buy these products but others will. That's the marketing business, there's nothing you can do, but wait for it to subside. My .02 cents

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                          • blnk162

                            #14
                            What is with you little girls? Evil makes more stuff than you can imagine, and has publicly launched themselves as a company and you guys whine about their t-shirts?

                            Its not like the t-shirts say shoot pedestrians or things that would really hinder the growth of paintball to a more public view

                            I dont see any body complaining about the t-shirt that has a person gogged with white paint saying "Now you know how your girl feels"....That has obvious sexual referances which would get the goverment and the church and everyone mad at you...


                            ....jeeze quit being little girls, sack up, find some humor in something for once, and dont get your panties in a bunch...

                            flame all you want but I feel as though you are all too sensitive.

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                            • Jonneh
                              A nice fellow.
                              • May 2001
                              • 990

                              #15
                              Originally posted by blnk162
                              What is with you little girls? Evil makes more stuff than you can imagine, and has publicly launched themselves as a company and you guys whine about their t-shirts?

                              Blah Blah Blah

                              flame all you want but I feel as though you are all too sensitive.
                              I was thinking the exact same thing reading through this thread.

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