Whats up with all those girls at the Zap IAO

[automagseeker]

Has anyone seen this? I have never been to a tounament, I really do want to go, but whats up with all these girls jumping around in a tub of paintballs wreatleing? I mean I would enjoy it personally, I dont know if its at all gonna be alright for the guy next to me, but I personally this this is bad for the sport isn't it supposed to be a family event? Thast what I had heard about it anyways. I am disappointed, heres a link to some of the pics, sry Doc I got them off of ur tinkers guild... http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/mess...geid=998415242

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[magman007]

it wasnt just girls they had guys doin it too, it was cool, it was like mud wrestling, plus if i remember correctly there was prizes??? it was col and it isnt that bad for the sport, and uit was kinda family oriented, you shoulda seen the sumo wrestling that was funny as all hell

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[automagseeker]

i have seen sumo wreatling before the one where two guys or girls get into huge sumo suits and fight, yea its cool, I still think that we need to gain more acceptance in the public eye, I am not saying that the girls playing around in the tub of paintballs was bad, I just dont think its very good for the sport, just my thoughts

[the123]

hahaha you can see Mr. Tippman in the background in the last pict.
If industry leaders support it, so should we!

[apache]

How about car races where there are the pit girls in bikinis? Sure as [hot place] they are not there to change tires! Would it have been more acceptable if there had been a kickboxing demonstration?

Let's all just go back to the Facefull-magazine thread... Haven't we had this discussion about good-looking women and paintball already?

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[Flamebo]

Yikes... Shame I missed that one. Notice how every one of them has their eyes glued...

[MagMan5446]

Not bad....not bad at all

It would've been better if one of those girls was Reese Witherspoon.

Hey, how much do you think all those paintballs cost?? Must've been a pretty penny....unless they just picked up the bounces.

[Arturus]

Kind of sad isn't it?

Now just imagine if some News Magazine was there taking pictures and filming the whole event for a special on one of the major networks.

Especially if the topic of the show was titled "Paintball and it's effort to join the Mainstream Sports Arena"... You get the idea.

I haven't been in the sport long, but for those who always speak of preserving it and making it 'mainstream', I can't imagine this being good. Read on the link that they had a wet t-shirt contest at skirmish that quickly turned into an all nude-thong event with no supervision whatsoever from what I gathered?

"World Record Attempt game at Skirmish last year, they had a wet T-shirt contest... which after 5 minutes became the wet Topless contest (complete with thongs). They had just given out a prize for the youngest player (10) not ten minutes earlier... and started the topless display with all of the kids still around." - Posted on Tinker's Guild by ShortyBP

Neat...

Apache - There's a slight difference between pitgirls in bikini at a race car event and the situation depicted in those pictures. Take a look at it again.

I apologize, but I'm just too lazy these days to analyze indepth and make a point of everything.

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[Ninja B0Y]

I dunno bout you guys...if you dont dig girls wrestling in a pool of paintballs..that's on you. Me? I wanna have FUN when I go to these events. Screw the media let em think they want to think. Now...where those hunnies at?

[slayer]

It might make paintball more socially acceptable. Sex sells, so why not throw in some nudity. I mean, its not like a lot of women play anyway so they are just marketing to a more likely consumer pool(guys who don't play and like women), while prbably turning off a larger but much less likely one(women who don't play and guys who don't play and think its crude(a very small percentage of guys I bet)). I think it is intelligent marketing. Now some may disagree saying that subliminal sex sells more. Well that may be true and it definitely appeals to men of many different age groups, but I believe the target paintball group is in their teens or early to mid 20's and any kind of sex sells to many of them.

I wonder if shartley will read this and have any industry opinions that my simple observations may have missed. (The following line to be read: Shartely what do you think of this idea?)

[cphilip]

While mildly aroused...I still would have issues with it done in the open during the daytime like it appears they did. It's not family fun. Especially when the girl go to making out in front of kids. I think it was in poor taste to do it during the day in front of the kids. You might have adult only things at night to accommodate the older crowd and that's fine. But to me it should be kept separate so Mom's and Dad's can chose wether to separate themselves and their kids from this activity. I got no problem with the whole thing except to say there is a time and place for everything. And this does not appear to have been the right time nor place.

[snowman]

That is what paintball is all about...LESBIANS!

[skipdogg]

Only Three Chicks

[daveymag]

Originally posted by Ninja B0Y:
I dunno bout you guys...if you dont dig girls wrestling in a pool of paintballs..that's on you. Me? I wanna have FUN when I go to these events. Screw the media let em think they want to think. Now...where those hunnies at?

I agree whole-heartedly Ninja Boy!

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I am trying to see things from your point of view, but I just can't get my head that far up my butt.

Getting bunkered is like SEX.....
In prison!!

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[shartley]

slayer:
Good questions and comments. I have touched on this topic before. Here are a couple of my posts covering that topic. I hope you find it good reading:

GOOD QUESTION!
I had this same conversation with a client of mine (in the Paintball Industry) just the other day.

They liked the way the BonBon girl did it (fully clothed), but did NOT like the skimpy stuff, suggestive poses, etc.

From a marketing standpoint, it is a two edged sword. SEX SELLS! That is a proven fact.

BUT.....

With all the other issues this sport has, I don't think it is a good idea to give yet ANOTHER reason for people to not like it (or at a minimum preach against it). I would advise holding off on the SEX marketing until the sport gains a more secure place in the public eye.

Just my opinion.

GOOD JOB Hasty8! Bravo!
You could have gone MUCH farther, because there is a bit more to the story, but what you said was a great start.

People would be shocked to hear how us Marketing People play on Biology to sell things.

One example is:
Pupils airbrushed larger to signify approval (fact... when you look at something you LIKE you will get larger pupils. This allows more light into your eye, therefore allowing better vision.) So if you make a model's pupils larger, the person VIEWING the ad, will instinctively think the model IN the ad either likes THEM better, or likes the product better. Again, this is all on a subliminal level.

Another is elongating the legs of models, etc.

Why do you think women use red lipstick? Because it brings your eyes to the lips? Nope... sorry. When a woman is receptive for sex, parts of her body fill with blood (no, not going to list them... you all get the point) and the LIPS are one of them. Therefore, red lips signal "ready for sex". You think the red lipstick just makes a woman look prettier... LOL That has nothing to do with it. It is a triggering device only... and to trigger what? MEN.

I could go on all day about this stuff. LOL People are jerked around by natural instincts and biological reflexes.

Being a former Law Enforcement Officer, I also learned extensively about body language... this along with basic biology has helped greatly in the marketing field.

Both body language and simple biology are keys to successful marketing... after all what does it all come down to anyway.... selling YOURSELF for reproduction. But it is much easier to argue about morals. LOL

(added: I would like to point out that sleaze, which is what is currently being used by many paintball folks, is MUCH different than being biology smart. Subliminal is fantastic... blatant takes NO skill. Sex sells, sure, but subliminal sex sells MORE. Why? Because the viewer does not even know it.. you hit ALL demographics, not just horny teenagers. Some of these marketing folks giving the paintball people advise don't have a clue about real marketing. Sorry.)