Something that bothers me - US Bombing

[Chaos]

I just wanted to say, I'm very sorry for all that was lost, and all that will be, but I also wanted to state something that twists my noodle. When Columbine was hit, the world lashed out for someone to blame. With this, since they were young americans, they obviously cant blame society or the government, so they lash out at whatever else they can. SO then who gets blamed? Very talented and inspirational artists like Marilyn Manson. Yes I realize most of you dont like them, but I just wanted to point this out. I wouldn't be alive without people like him, and society lash's out when something like Columbine happens. Now another big event happens, only now its adults and the terrorists arn't from America. Yes I realize these arn't the same instances, but now they cant lash out at someone like Manson, so people are searching for someone to blame. So society now is looking for anyone that isn't American to blame. Why? Because people are stupid.

Also, far chance, but suppose the attackers would have been american? I know there are many anarchy groups and such that are located in America. Then who would you blame?

[MagMan5446]

This is nothing alike the Columbine. You're right, we needed something to blame for the kids going psycho, we blamed because we need a problem for us to solve. We are yet to find that.


In this scenario, we basically know who did it. A group, led by Osmar le badan or something like that who we also tried to kill, that is located in Afgahnistan did it. We are almost positive that they did. We will punish the culprits and the ones that harbor them.

There are other groups that are bragging that they did it, but that is expected with all big terroism acts. The Liberation Army is claiming that they did it. But they don't have as much against us as the Afgahnistan group. When Osmar le Badan found out that we were trying to kill him, he was angered. He said that every American was a potential target. He had a motive. There are surely other reasons, but I do not know them, maybe someone else does though.

[thei3ug]

I'm pretty sure Bin Laden listens to "abudabudabuda!" and not "Got my lunchbox and i'm armed real well...."

Think about it, and make your own conclusions.

[Webmaster]

You also need to realize that the two incidents had radically different motivations.

Comlubine was two twisted and depressed punks who wanted to go out in a blaze of glory.

And on that note - pop culture has ALWAYS been blamed on juevenile deliquentcy. Heck - those campy comic books in the 50s were deemed to violent - and they burned alot of them and set up a censorship organization. Music and television and movies has always been a scape coat - get used to it.

Bin Lauden's motivation is that he has been choosen by got do fight and destroy our heathenistic western way of life. He is a radical Muslim with extremist views.

[TheTramp]

What?

Did he really just say that Americans are stupid for looking for someone outside of America to blame for this? Does he really feel that there isn't some one/group responsible for this and they shouldn't be held accountable? I wonder if he would feel that those of us with friends who worked in the World Trade Center are less stupid if he were waiting for conformation that four of his friends that he hasn't heard from went down with the towers.

[Eagle]

When in war, whether one is fighting a cause, a nation, or a faction, it must be clear from the onset, before the hostilities begin, to the common soldiers and to the leaders, that this is how it will be:

I will kill your mother and father, your brother and sister, your dogs and cats and horses and sheeps and pigs. I will poison your water and burn you house to the ground. I will kill your kids and your wife. I shall no mercy to anyone or anything aligned with you. I shall inflict so much personal grief, pain, suffering and outrage, that as a person, you will have one of two choices:

Surrender or die

[azzkikr]

whoever did this will see the cosequenses, I for one wish to be part of it.

[Flamebo]

What the hell does an act of war have to do with a couple psychotic kids?? The United States was ATTACKED by some sort of group, country, or organization, it wasn't just a crime of insanity.

What happened yesterday was very possibly the worst act ever committed in a time of peace, and someone must be held accountable for this. We've suffered a financial loss estimated at $20 billion, and thousands of priceless American lives.

I don't know what the hell this has to do with Marylin Manson, but every federal investigator in the country is trying to find out who DID conspire to commit this crime. If we were just trying to take it out on non-Americans, the entire Middle East would be a crater in the earth by now.

Anarchists by definition aren't interested in mass-murdering thousands of people, they are interested in the absence of government and control. Some anarchists choose to use forceful resistance and terrorism in an attempt to fulfill this idea. If a group or organization of these violent anarchists was to blame, then they would be the ones held accountable.

Most people agree that this is the work of Osama/Usama bin Ladin, which is why we are trying to locate him -- to give the consequences to the guilty.

[Chris]

I believe that all Chaos is commenting on is the tendancy for Americans, people in general, to jump all over the first person they can find to be a scapegoat for any type of problem. Nobody wants to accept the responsibility for their own actions, and they feel the need to blame someone for their problems regardless of whom is actually at fault.

With Columbine, we would never blame the kids or their parents or even the other children in the school for driving Kleebold and Harris (I think those are the two gunmen) to shooting many of their classmates. We had to lash out on any provocative artist that they may have listened to, any movie that they may have watched...something to push the blame away from the parents and other children around them. Fact is, the two kids were outcasts, constantly teased by the others in their school. For any of you who have been there...can you honestly say that you never thought "I wish they were dead"? Granted, most people never act out on these thoughts...but many many of us have thought them. Well, for some those thoughts are too difficult to put away and let go. They need an outlet.

As for this bombing, I think the media and everyone in this country needs to be very cautious right now. There is much speculation that Osama Bin Laden is responsible for this attack. There is no positive proof though. Unfortunately, some people are already lashing out on the Arab-Americans in this country. It is a shame that some people resort to this type of hate crime. We do need to punish those responsible for the terrorist attack, but we do not need to jump to conclusions. Right now, there are no facts leading to any one group in particular. We need to keep this in mind.

-Chris

[Webmaster]

See - thats where Chaos's logic is wierd...

In Columbine we KNEW who was responsible - but we looked for a scapecoat as to WHY it happend - or what caused this to happen.

In the WTC incident - we arent looking for a scapecoat - we are looking for those repsponsible.

Yes - you are right, there is speculation that bin lauden is responsible - and not alot of proof yet. But Vegas odds are on him as he is one of the very few people with the money and resources to pull this off.

[Flamebo]

I disagree, the majority of logical Americans knew that the Columbine killers were a product of their own dementia. Except for a few radical anti-gun groups with political motives other than prevention of tragedies who got the attention of mass-media, everyone I spoke to knew that these were twisted individuals.

We cannot blame every Arab-American we see because of this, but we must be aware of the highly suspected countries, and there is an overwhelming amount of evidence pointing to bin Ladin and the Arab nations. Something big must be done, and it must be done soon.

[thecavemankevin]

We need to place the blame soally on those responsible, not inocent Arabic Americans or any other forigner.
Not only that, these people were motivated by something many of us probably will never understand completely. I am not even sure of it. I can only imagine that they saw us as the enemy and felt we needed to pay.

Now for the kids at Colombine, the adults saw that they listened to music like Marilyn Manson, and play video games like Doom. Now many adults don't understand this and don't like it because it is not civilized. So there forth they think it must have something to do with their actions because they dress and seem to act in a similar manor.

That is why Manson, and video games get blamed. It is all part of this mass confusion called life.

[MinimagRockin']

I don't believe what we are doing now is anything like what we did after the columbine incident. After columbine we knew who did it and they were dead and there wasn't anything we could do about it, which in turn frustrated the hell out of us so we blamed music and tv and video games (just for the record im all for free speech so preach on marylin, but for gods sake hes not inspirational and not even close to talented). Moving on. In this instance some group (most likely not americans) came into our country took our planes with our people on them and crashed them into our buildings. In this case we don't know who did it but when we do there should be hell to pay. No two ways about it. Trying to defend these guys is not something many sane americans are going to agree with you on. Also I don't think there are many instances of what you refer to as singling out arabs in america, it's certainly not happening on a huge scale like you seem to believe, but I do agree with you that it should not be tolerated.

[speedballbanks]

i say we nuke all them rock throwing street dancing towel heads oh yeah this is not directed to any one who is israli or palestinian or afghanistan that is a u.s. citizen just the idiots over seas that dance in the streets cause people die. children have died and they are dancing i say kill em all and for any a.oers who have lost family in the wtc, pentagon, or outside of pitsburgh my condolences but no mercy should be taken on the group that have done this to us .

[riooso]

Sand turns to glass when heated. When they find bin Laden "we" should turn the desert for a ten mile diameter into a bowl. He has already been proven to be responsible for the embassy bombing. Do it now!


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