Idea for Improved Dual 9v in Parrallel for Warpfeed!!!!!!!

[Cypres0099]

I've been pondering how to make my warp run in reverse so it would be easier to empty the feed tube for a couple of days now. As I was thinking about this I thought of an way to improve upon the 2 9v in parallel mod so you will never be caught in a game with low warp batteries again.

First you do the dual 9v parallel mod.

Then to each battery you install an on off switch.
One to each of the 9vs.

So this way you can run your warp with 1 9v, one switch on one switch off, until you start having problems with low batteries.

Once you start having problems flip the second switch on. Since the batteries are in parallel they will not be an overload of 18v on your board.

By flipping both batteries on you will get the maximum amount of power out of the low juice battery while still operating at full speed.

Once the game is over you can replace the dead battery with a new one and flip its switch off and starting the cycle until the older battery runs out again. Then you just repeat the process.

This mod not only ensures that you will never be caught with a drained warp battery but you will get the most out of the 9vs therefore saving you money.


So tell me what you guys think of this mod, if you think it is beneficial and if you think it will work.

[niteHawk337]

Wouldn't the second you turn off the second switch (second battery) it would inturrupt the circut, and therefore no power gets to the board...

nH

[Cypres0099]

I may be messing something up in my mind with the wiring so you might be right.

[Cypres0099]

I'll sketch something out and put it up to see what you think.

[Cypres0099]

It's kind of rough but anyway.


[IMG]C:\Documents and Settings\Ben Frederick\Desktop\warpwiring.bmp[/IMG]

Now switch 2 represents the standard on/off switch.
With switch 1 open then you are running off of 1 9v.

When you close switch 2 after the battery 1 is mostyl dead it is running them both in parrallel using up the little power left in battery 1 and using the juice in battery 2.

When you replace the batteries you will have to take battery one out, replace it with battery 2 and then put a fresh battery in the auxiliary power clip if you will to make this idea work.

If you don't want to be hassled with switching the batteries like that I believe that a third switch and wire can be installed to fix this problem.

Someone who knows about wiring please check this idea.

[Cypres0099]

Can somebody tell me How to post pictures from my computer?

While I wait for a reply i'll try again only this time it's a pic with a third switch.

[IMG]C:\Documents and Settings\Ben Frederick\Desktop\warpwiring2.bmp[/IMG]

This time there is a switch 3. With switch 1 and 2 off switch 3 acts as a short to the motor which with this setup would only be running off battery 2. Then when battery 2 gets low you turn switch 3 off and 1 and 2 back on. This puts the batteries back in parralell.

[Cypres0099]

Did the pictures work?

I'm pretty sure this would work with 2 switches and even 3 switches so there is no hassle in changing batteries.

[BlackVCG]

Cypres- When you're posting an image from your hard drive, you need to copy the location and put it in the Attach File box below the reply box. Then submit the post and it should appear as an attached image. When you're posting images off the web, you use the IMG tags.

[Cypres0099]

Thanks for the help.

Ok, the red wire represents the most recent thing I added.
But now I think you can replace switch 1 and switch 3 with a center off switch so that having the switch up connects the 2 9vs in parrallel, having it in the middle (off) to just run off of battery 1, and have it down to bypass battery 1 so you don't have to do any battery switching.

I'll post a pic of the new wiring this afternoon.

Good i think it's working.

[PsychoMag]

Thats a cool idea, but I do the intelliwarp and parallel mods for people, you defeat teh purpose of the parallel mod that way. The batteries last twice as long as one 9v, giving out more power. The purpose of the mod is the speed increase, not really the extra on/off switches which you really dont have a place to put them anyway.

just my $.02

to each his own...

[Cypres0099]

I thought that the parralell mod was not for increasing speed but getting more time with your warp before you change your batteries.

By using one as long as possible before using them in parrallel you can suck all the juice you can out of each battery and never be caught in a game with low batteries.
Your batteries can still run out even if you have 2 in parrallel.

As for the room for the switches, I thought about that. There is room for one but you might have to mount something on the side for the second one. Although there could even be room for a second one somewhere.

[Shaft]

Another parallel battery mod... Ack!!
Well this one allows you to 'charge' the weaker battery with the other when you flick the switch... swell. It's a good thing that 9v have such low current.

Alright, I'm busting out the catalogs and simulators now. Seems like folks want longer battery life, faster warp spin and or they just like using two 9v (I blame VL for this one).

The goal a regulated 12v output (faster spin) with a low battery indicator and an on/off switch. Easy enough.

I still want to use a EMag battery or a pack of AA's - for myself I'll keep them on the airtank or near the warp bracket. But the 2 SERIES 9v with a regulator will work too.

I've seen buildings catch fire from putting batteries in parallel (Edited typo confusion). It was a bit more extreem than just two 9v, but it is an example of why charging non-rechargable batteries can be bad.

[PsychoMag]

thats why these are in parallel, not series Shaft :)

[Shaft]

Originally posted by PsychoMag
thats why these are in parallel, not series Shaft :)

Huh? Doh! I wrote that wrong - parallel batteries caused a fire not series.

OK, one more time. Voltage sources (batteries) in parallel is bad. Not good....

Series is good.

Now excuse me, I'll go fix my last post. Not good for me to do that.

[athomas]

For the problem of extending battery life, the two batteries with switches is the proper approach. When the first dies, turn it off and the other nine volt battery on and continue playing. Now, at your next convienience you cna change the dead battery. You have gotten the most out of your nine volt cell. It has its advantages over having both cells in parallel.

In parallel, when the batteries are low, they both fail at the same time leaving you stranded without power. Not a problem if you plan on changing the cells on a regular basis and just want the extended life without hassle.

Do not turn the second cell on and leave it on with the dead cell also turned on. The fully charged cell will attempt to charge the dead cell to equalize the voltage, thus diminishing some of the potential of the newer cell.

The other problem people are concerned with is the series idea to increase the speed of the warp. Yes, you need a regulator set at 12 volts or a different battery pack which delivers 12 volts and has a higher current capacity. Use the different battery pack. Here's why.

Current draw = Volts / Resistance

Since you are increasing the voltage available to the motor you are also increasing the current draw on the cells because the resistance is remaining the same. If you think you had short life with the nine volts driving the warp, you'll hate the results, driving the same warp at 12 volts with two cells in series at the higher current draw.

Using a higher capacity battery pack such as 8 AA Alkalines or if you want rechargeable use 10 AA Nimh. Either config will give you 12 volts.

Hope this helps