Emag and Retro valve triggers in NPPL?

[nutz]

in this thread wickedairsportz says that the president of the nppl has determinded that a gun in semi must pull once and release once manually per shot... does this mean the end of the emag in the nppl?????

http://pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54337

also he says that anyone caught "stroking" the trigger during a game will be pulled from that game... does this mean sweet spoting an emag or RT trigger is illigal in nppl terms?? im so confused!!!!!

[ThePatriot]

Doesnt the retro only fire once per trigger pull?? And E-Mags too? I dont know because i own neither....could u do some explaining as to what it is they do.

Thnx

[Restola]

i just got my emag yesterday, and put about 800 shots through it. as far as i can find there is no spot on the trigger that will fire and doesnt require an intentional hand movement.

[headcase]

It will in the hybrid mode. You might have to play with your input pressure a little to adjust the reactivity, buy mine is rediculously easy to bounce right now.

[nutz]

see what headcase is saying is that there is a spot on the emag trigger that can shoot with just u holding ur finger there... this can also be done with my friends stock RTpro very easyily... i was wondering if this broke nppl rules...

[RT 01037]

no it does not break the rule, because evean tho the trigg bounces it still moves back and counts as a pull.

[nutz]

alright thanks for ur help

[Wayland Fong]

i'd like to clarify something. even though the trigger moves back and forth, that doesn't necessarily make it legal. because the fine print on the NPPL rules says semi-automatic requires you to make a physical exertion to pull the trigger. in other words, bouncing the trigger is not allowed, because the trigger is doing all the work. i do believe that under the current rules, RTs and Emags are allowed, as long as the reactivity is set low enough so that you cannot bounce the trigger. however, RTs and Emags go under a very gray area in the rulebook, so perhaps someone else can shed light on this.

[Temo Vryce]

OK let me say something that might make it a little clearer for you guys. They are talking about a complete trigger pull, (hold for a sec) and release. If the marker fires a single round then it is legal. They are stating that Burst, FullAuto, Double Fire, Turbo and othe fancy modes are not legal. The NPPL has stated that the Automag RT is a legal marker and therefore the RetroValve and all markers using it are legal for play. I hope this help to clarify it for you.

[nutz]

alright thanks temo that helps a bunch but what about sweetspoting the trigger?

[Temo Vryce]

Sweet spotting is still legal because it's hard to hit that spot and hold it there. Try it some time in a game and you'll see what I mean. I used an RT and E-mag and it's hard to maintain that sweet spot even still some people can fire fast normally than the marker will when in the sweet spot.

Even with the sweet spot the RT/Retro Valve is only able to fire once per complete pull and release. That's what they want. Now if NPPL does all markers that aren't strickly semi you'll find that a lot more people are going to start carrying E-Mags, RTs and Retro Mags just for the Sweet spot.

I hope this helps you out.

[j7million]

Is that like a reactive trigger on a tippmann?

[speedballbanks]

it is different with the tippman kit because the tippman kit you dont have to exert any force because the trigger is so touchy but i think the rule states that you have to pull it all the way back and all the way forward and if you exert enough force all the way back and all the way forward i think it wont shoot a milion times so i think you will be fine did this help?

[nutz]

alright i know this is an old thread, but i gotta bring this back up... I would like to possibly have tom or someone from the AGD factory teams clear this up... lately alot of crap has been going around with my friends and i at my local field. I am the only one who shoots an emag and everyone i meet or see tells me i would be pulled instantly from a tourny game if i sweet spoted or as some called it trigger bounced. i can see what all the above posts say but it still comes up very often and i just dont know what to do... also some people say that it is hard to sweet spot in game, but i find that after shooting my emag for the months that ive had it, i can hit the sweet spot whenever i want even in games.


Also the new level 10 emag and the newest halos i see going 20 bps in the vidoes... does this mean the emag could sweet spot all it wanted with the halo??? i am wondering this because i may be considering getting one if i find out more about the rules on sweet spoting or trigger bounce...

[RT_Luver]

I know i'm not TOm or anyone form AGD, but as far as i know, the E-mag is 100% tourny capable(or whatever you would call it) what above when you said that only guns that fire one shot per pull and release of the trigger are aloud. well your confusing the rt's(and retro, and e-mag) REACTIVE trigger with an auto REPSONSE trigger. the difference is that reactive trigger is when the trigger is pushed back into firing position pulling the trigger with gasfrom your tank(this is where it gets it name reactive, and why peole are wondering what pressure to set their tank at). auto repsonse(which the Emagnum board is capable of) is when 1 ball is fired after pulling the trigger and 1 after fully releasing the trigger. I believe that as long as your hand(or trigger) is moving, the NPPL or any other tourny group will allow the e-mag(on any stage) to be allowd in tournies. I mean, sure the e-mag has the shortest trigger pull. but if you ban one gun because you don't ahve to move your finger alot, is VERY hypicritical(sp?). again, I'm not AGD or even a HUGE tourny event plyer but I believe that if they make a rule out lawing the e-mag it will effect other guns also


just my $.02