i know it's old....but......Automag doubts

**Cha0tic** · 08-28-2001, 03:52 PM

the mag an cocker are both very nice markers. the main thing that sets them apart(performance wise) is that mags are more reliable and AGD's customer service is the best there is.

if you have an rt, you will get no shootdown and have the fastest cycling gun in the world

**MinimagRockin'** · 08-28-2001, 04:00 PM

Either one would be cool. If you are trying to decide between a stock cocker and the RT I would personally go with the RT. On the other hand if you plan on buying one of those really spiffy free flow this-and-that cockers the choice becomes more difficult. My eventual plans are to replace my minimag with an RT and keep it that way for the rest of my paintballing days.

**Linkin** · 08-28-2001, 04:07 PM

I love the mags. But you may want to look into other guns also. Bushmasters are great Electronic guns for a very good price. I might even get one....

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**Zumina** · 08-28-2001, 04:30 PM

RT Pros are too exspensive for what they're worth. They are cut down versions of the original RT but, they cost more. I'd suggest looking around for a used RT (I saw one on PBC yesterday for about $350 in near perfect condition), or, if you're bent on buying new, get a vertical feed cocker for $350, and spend the $250 difference on a swing trigger, a nice barrel, and a bomb. At that point you'll have a cocker with a pull just as short as the RT Pro. As far as having the fastest cycling gun, no one I have ever seen has been able to take full advantage of an RT. The fastest fingers I've seen using an RT were able to do about 10 or 11 (using chronos that calculated the ROF), so don't say "I was shooting 15 bps one time", cause I at least know you weren't.

**Cha0tic** · 08-28-2001, 05:06 PM

i did not say that any had taken full advantage of it, i was just pointing out a fact. it is just nice to know that your gun can not have shootdown until it reaches 26bps.

**Monsta** · 08-28-2001, 05:41 PM

To many moving parts on a cocker, meaning for every part that breaks you'll be spending you life savings

**MagShooter** · 08-28-2001, 05:45 PM

I have owned both cockers and my mag. I kept my mag and got rid of the cocker. If you like to work on your marker, the cocker is the way to go..high maintenance guns. BUT if you want to play a lot without having to fuss with it to get it to work right, go with the mag by far. I plan on getting an Emag here within the next 2 weeks. Basicly, I would get the mag if I were you. MUCH easier to maintain, plus AGD's service surpasses that of WGP.

**Zumina** · 08-28-2001, 06:32 PM

Cockers only have problems if some ignoramus that has no idea what he's doing starts messing with it for no aparhant reason, and get's angry at when he cannot figure out what he's done. At which point he blames the company and poor design, strange, never himself. I see it all to often. Some fool who is used to never cleaning or maintaining a gun gets a cocker and complains when it never works right. Just take some time and learn your equipment BEFORE you start ripping it apart and never maintaining it. This is why I feel that 'Mag appeal more to lazy people. Myself being one. I have both a mag and a cocker, but I usually play with the cocker due to the better performance it provides in both accuracy and rate of fire. As far as customer service goes, WGP is just as good AGD. I've dealt with them a few times, and everything went smoothly and I received whatever I needed (they even gave me a banner!). So, I wouldn't rule the cocker out on the grounds that "it's too maitenence intensive". I'd counter that comment with "the mag is such a boring and ugly gun. Gas hog, loud, dated design, big batery pack....."

**Arturus** · 08-28-2001, 07:24 PM

SUN WARRIOR - "I have both a mag and a cocker, but I usually play with the cocker due to the better performance it provides in both accuracy and rate of fire... "

The Elves must be at it again.

Ragnarok - Can't really give you "convincing and solid facts" other than the ones you probably already know or heard of regarding both Mags and Cockers.

What I can say is, instead of trying to rub it into the face of 'cocker people'...

Field test both type of markers and go with what you prefer and think will be best for you. Don't go with the hype or what's "in" and "cool", but rather go with what's right for you.

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**Restola** · 08-28-2001, 07:34 PM

the mag is really a pick up and go -every- time marker. never had a problem except for the time i took apart the little assmebly that you are never supposed to take apart. even then i only missed one game while someone else troubleshooted it (i had no idea i had done anything wrong) and replaced most the seals and o-rings and reassembled it. the games here run 15 min max.

last week a kid with a stock cocker had to rent a gun. he couldnt fix it and everyone around here is too damn fed up to fix these things everytime some 14 year old decides they are a worr games tech.

**magman007** · 08-28-2001, 07:35 PM

Ok let me settle this once and for all. Cockers are good so are mags, it is all in preferance. Cockers have diff triggers, cockers higher maintinence, if you get hit in the pneumatics your screwed usually. Mags are less maintinence, simpler design, theres olny like 10 moving parts, they are less gas eficient, but no where as bad as a shocker, mags are not as upgradeable, that is cuz there great outta the box. Ok also there is no great autococker sight like this one yet. Also i have an agd banner that was given to me!, you can call ag and get one for cheep to! I sence some negativity comming form sun warrior and i widh he would stop, plus autocockers are not more acurate nor do they shoot better, accuracy is all in the barrel, and despide beliefs, automag barrels do not vibrate until after the ball leaves the barel

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you ever notice how elves do everyting???

**magman007** · 08-28-2001, 07:39 PM

THAT IS IT! SUN WARRIOR IS REALY An Elf from WGP!!! HAHAHAHAHHA i have done it! Or not? elves have actually been employed by gd to take your kind down, the EIB will be at your door step soon! "GOT ELVES?????????" Army

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you ever notice how elves do everyting???

**Zumina** · 08-28-2001, 07:54 PM

MagMan..shhhhhhhhh!!!
-I've been hit in the pneumatic hoses many times, I have never been "screwed". I just had a messy clean up job ahead of me.
-Look, I love both Mags and cockers, but I'm tired of everyone saying that cockers are crappy guns; especially when their opinions are not based on first had experiences, rather here-say and farce. I thought I'd throw in a little farce to even things out; hence the elves.....

**Steven** · 08-28-2001, 07:55 PM

I have shot an AutoCocker for an entire tourny and admit it is a nice gun. Only thing is when I bought my AutoMag there was nothing like it at the time and 10 years latter it is still performing like new

My only suggestion is what ever you choose make sure you take care of it. After every day's use when you get home or some time during the week take it apart, clean it, oil it. Maintenance is key to keeping your marker the best it can be.

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i know it's old....but......Automag doubts

i know it's old....but......Automag doubts

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