IRAQ THREAD originaly "Seems at least one Brit agrees with me....er us."

[Kevmaster]

what im saying:
all those pictures were within the last 5 days. the REAL protests were in mid feb. if you want, ill go dig those up. youll see our "allies" with some strong and startling voices. most of the people in the world are feed up with the US and its foreign polices. Theyd prefer the US go back to its own little cave of isolationism....well...until they are invaded and need our support

[nippinout]

aaron, we have been using diplomacy to a great extent with our allies.

Our diplomats, Colin Powell, and the President are speaking with our allies to try to gain their support. Is that not diplomacy?

The country has held great restraint. We could have easily flipped the switch from SAFE to WAR but we did not. We are waiting on UN resolutions and UN backing. Is that not diplomacy?

Just think how easily the fury of the military could have been unleashed upon Iraq. But the military has not been given the go-ahead by the prez.

Amazing how quickly people change from empathy to anger.

How much more backlash and anti-Americanism would there be if America did not use diplomacy? People too easily find the negative.

[aaron_mag]

Re: Seems at least one Brit agrees with me....er us.

Originally posted by Army But to the world's eternal shame, 9/11 is increasingly seen as America's comeuppance. Incredibly, anti-Americanism has increased over the last year.

First of all I never claimed to be a "victim". Nor have I claimed that anyone called me anti american. First those pictures posted above are not our allies.

My point deals with the quote above (not a real direct quote from Army but he did post it). So many citizens of the US are incredulous of the growth in this sentiment among our allies. My point is we are at least partially to blame for the losing good will towards us. You say that people should not claim to be the "victim" I say the US should not claim to be the victim of insensible resentment towards us. In the end they are our allies and they will be with us when it counts.

[nippinout]

Originally posted by Kevmaster
what im saying:
all those pictures were within the last 5 days. the REAL protests were in mid feb. if you want, ill go dig those up. youll see our "allies" with some strong and startling voices. most of the people in the world are feed up with the US and its foreign polices. Theyd prefer the US go back to its own little cave of isolationism....well...until they are invaded and need our support

hehehehe. "Jebus, I mean America, Save ME!"

What I don't understand is the anti-war protesters with no respect. Some of them are calling Bush a terrorist. They call war, terrorism. Soldiers terrorists.

Sure, these soldiers are going to battle in a war they don't support. These are the same soldiers who were in Afghanistan destroying Al Qaeda. Why are they calling them terrorists?

What is with the populous of our allies calling this war, blood for oil?

Just last week on the local news, they did a story about teach-ins and walk-outs at a local University. They showed a clip where a professor was giving factoids. Ill-informed factoids- she asked what two countries had the most oil, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. We don't get much oil from the mid-east. I hate hippy-thinking with the use of confirmation-bias.

The soldiers are just doing their jobs. They hold no say in where to fight. Why so much hate for them?

Why do I fear going on vacations even to Europe? Because I am an American, I will receive almost racist treatment. My older sister working in S.Korea says she is from Canada. American soldiers get threatened and spit on over there.

When I go travel, I'm going to wear an American flag. They may not like me, but they will be happy and friendly enough to take my money when I buy their goods&services. Now isn't that peculiar.

I'm proud to be an American. Anybody who doesn't like me for that fact is wrong. They should be bombed.

[Collegeboy]

[nippinout]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
But what he and others fail to point out is that there is a GREAT difference between criticism/disagreement, and plain hatred.

Good point, but is burning effigies and calling our leaders and soldiers terrorists being critical? It's pretty mean to me.

[Kevmaster]

collegeboy...you wnat me to get pictures that are just as bad but insted of showing muslims they show french? germans? italians? british? AMERICANS?

i will go do it if you wish

[1stdeadeye]

CollegeBoy *shakes head*

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I agree.

A lot of people confuse a disagreement, a criticism, with anti-Americanism. Heck I have been called an anti-American for I am against this war. I am also a huge goober!

Am I saying that there is no one out there who hates us, no 911 proves that. But to say that everyone who disagrees with us, or the majority who disagree with us is anti-US is just plain wrong.

We all respect the right of dissent.

That being said, you a 100% wrong. Their are plenty of people who hate the US. Did you see the videos of Palestinians celebrating 9/11? They were giving candy to children to celebrate. We should have cut all aid to the Paletinians at that point. Let them starve or let their arabian "brethern" feed them.

I think Kev's pictures are kind of Anti-American don't you?

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by nippinout


Good point, but is burning effigies and calling our leaders and soldiers terrorists being critical? It's pretty mean to me.

It is mean, I never said there wasn't people out there who hated the US. There are people like that in EVERY country. I am not arguing against that. I am just saying that most of the people said to be anti-american are not.

They may be anti-bush, anti-war, or whatever, but are not anti-american.

[1stdeadeye]

Wrong

Originally posted by aaron_mag
Sorry....I have to be the voice of disharmony (as 1stdeadeye is sure to predict). Because I am a goof!

On this board there are a ton of anti French jokes. Is respect not a two way street?

Hey now! I resent this. I have been making French Jokes for years. The only nationality I pick on more then the French are the Poles.

[bornl33t]

W3rd

[Kevmaster]

well...

right now being anti-bush (in the sense of burning him) is being anti-american

[Collegeboy]

It is how you interpret it. I am anti-bush. I don't think he has done anything to help this country that any to bit man on the street could have done. That doesn't mean I am anti-American. If you are holding up a doll of bush and is using it to represent America then yes that is anti-Americanism, but if you hold up a doll to represent Bush, then it is anti-bush.

But you are missing my points. Those pictures show a minority of the criticism of the US. It is like me showing a picture of the US woman's hockey team stomping of the Canadian flag (And yes they did), and using it to show that everyone hates Canada that has a disagreement with it.

But the article was dealing with Europeans and such, not middle eastern peoples.


I once heard a presentation on TV one night where I college student got up and gave a speech on the demonstrations in Palestine on 911. She basically said it didn't happen. But the footage used was actually old b roll that happened about 5 months earlier. She was there working with some relief organization in the area it supposedly happened in.

If this is true, it leads to questions of other things we "know" today.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
It is how you interpret it. I am anti-bush. I don't think he has done anything to help this country that any to bit man on the street could have done. That doesn't mean I am anti-American. If you are holding up a doll of bush and is using it to represent America then yes that is anti-Americanism, but if you hold up a doll to represent Bush, then it is anti-bush.

But you are missing my points. Those pictures show a minority of the criticism of the US. It is like me showing a picture of the US woman's hockey team stomping of the Canadian flag (And yes they did), and using it to show that everyone hates Canada that has a disagreement with it.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
But the article was dealing with Europeans and such, not middle eastern peoples.

And we have seen footage of protesters in THOSE countries holding similar signs and doing similar things.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I once heard a presentation on TV one night where I college student got up and gave a speech on the demonstrations in Palestine on 911. She basically said it didn't happen. But the footage used was actually old b roll that happened about 5 months earlier. She was there working with some relief organization in the area it supposedly happened in.

If this is true, it leads to questions of other things we "know" today.

[Restola]

Originally posted by shartley

That nailed it. Based on what we have learned from some other threads he has some very strange opinions about Saddam, America, and women's rights.

I'm glad America is strong enough that people like Collegeboy can't get enough support to actually do anything.