Thermal sensor in games

[slave]

Two part discussion really...

First...has anyone had any experience with the AIMSHOT Heat Seekers? Basically a cheap thermal sensor that is suppose to have up to a 400yrd range.

Second..do you think this is an unfair advantage in scenario play? I ask because I feel it could be easily argued that smoke is just as much of an unfair advantage.

Let's say a few people on the opposing team were able to find and purchase smoke while no one on your team has any or could purchase any or maybe could not afford any. This gives them an extra edge by helping them conceal themselves better.

Wouldn't it be hypocritcal to not allow the opposite..and be it fair to have a thermal sensor that gives an edge on finding people easier?

None of this matters, just bored and came across these on some website and figured i'd start up some ranting.

[bull]

I don't think so. We have teams out here using Gen 3 nightvision on a regular basis at these games, which starts out at about $1500.00. A guy on my team actually used one of the heatseekers. From what he told me it helped out on base defense because it gave you a POSSIBLE target area. It did not pinpoint things and animals set them off too. Even when he got a hit it would then have to be scanned with NVG's to see if anything was there. Want to screw with it, get some handwarmers and hang them around in bags. Technology will always raise the stakes, but it does not provide a unwinnable solution.

[slave]

Thanks for the response. Glad to hear it worked during an actual game, at the to the degree of justifying a $150 bucks.

Now if I only had a place to use this and nightvision I'd get some. Sadly South Florida has no scenario games, at least none I am aware of.

I don't think so. We have teams out here using Gen 3 nightvision on a regular basis at these games, which starts out at about $1500.00. A guy on my team actually used one of the heatseekers. From what he told me it helped out on base defense because it gave you a POSSIBLE target area. It did not pinpoint things and animals set them off too. Even when he got a hit it would then have to be scanned with NVG's to see if anything was there. Want to screw with it, get some handwarmers and hang them around in bags. Technology will always raise the stakes, but it does not provide a unwinnable solution.

[judster]

as a gen 3 nightvision user, i see nothing wrong with toys like that! if i can afford it then so be it. thats what i like to do. im sorry that the other team can't afford NV. and i dont think its unfair. what i find unfair are scenario producers that do not allow the use of night vision becasue it unbalences the sides. what about the guys that shoot a tricked up angel(insert any high end gun)? he spent the same amount of money to get the ROF that he likes but i cant use my toys? dont ya think with a high end marker that, that makes the sides unfair? i think so, thus why i dont play those producers games. i like my toys

[PYROMAN315]

I produce Scenario Games all over the U.S. and I ENCOURAGE players to bring everything they got. Its a Scenario!! People have to remember these are based on combat war games. As long as its not a safety issue, then everything goes.
I personally use a thermal system that I picked up through the fire service, you know, the ones we use for search and rescue in fires. That baby retails for 18k new. Its like looking at someone at high noon all night long.
As far as smoke is concerned, thats an advantage for both teams. It really doesnt matter who uses it, both teams can advance with smoke on the field.
I own several night vision set ups. They work about as well as having a scope on a paintball gun. Looks good, but doesnt do much. They only help you to get around on the field. The only time they help in a night game is if the opposing players are actually moving right in front of you, and how many players are out running around in the dark? Most players hunker down for night play. I have walked right over players while wearing my night vision. PEED OFF and embarrassed at the same time, I dont lik egetting shot in the AZZ.
And JUDSTER`s right, some promoters dont let you use certain gear at their games. Its a Scenario, a war, play it as realistic as possible. Trip wires and self pyrotechnics (Unless approved by us first) are about the only thing we dont allow at our games. Thats why everyone needs to play our events (LOL).

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PYROMAN

[Cilio - Knightmare Tango]

If it's safe it should be allowed to be used. Obviously Game finders are safe, so the answer would be yes.

I've seen a player with a pump take out a dozen opposing players... should the player be banned because he has an unfair advantage and unbalances things? I think not.

[afatboy]

I for one dont think they should have thermal sensors in games. It just seems to take out the fun of playing paintball. I mean you kind of know where anyone is. With night vision it still doesnt show you were they are. I see were yall are coming from comparing it to smoke gernades and all, but it just seems to take it over the edge. A part of paintball, atleast to me, is trying to find your enemy, and always having that fear of an ambush and with the thermal sensors it just seems to take it all away

[PYROMAN315]

Once I played a few Scenario games and got a good feel for what they really are, I immediatly sarted to up my gear. To this day I still rely on my own senses on the field over anything that I carry. These are role playing games so you need to think of it as real combat or war. Part of the game is the fear that the enemy always has the advantage.
AFATBOY wrote "A part of paintball, atleast to me, is trying to find your enemy". And I would have to agree with that, INCLUDING using whatever equipment and gear you have.
I personaly dont like night play, but I still play it every chance I get. It makes me wonder what real combat would be like and I love the challenge. Even with all the equipment that I have I rarely use it. My night visions, thermals, and other night play eqipment dont come out unless I know for a fact that the opposing team is using something as well.
The next time your on the field at night during a Scenario game, place yourself in Iraq, Desert Storm, Vietnam, Korea. That will give your play a much more realistic feel.
I say "BRING WHAT YOUVE GOT!!" The more equipment the enemy has, the better player you will become.

[bull]

The gamefinder does not find people for you, from what my team mate said it found nothing most of the time, just false alarms. It is a tool you can use. All it does is beep when it is waved past a heat source. Now Pyros is a step up, but most people do not have 18K to spend. The gamefinder can be spoofed if you want to.

[PYROMAN315]

Hey MOZAK, I was just reading over your posts and threads. I see your new and you may want to read over the forum rules first. Trust me, it cant hurt by what ive already read.