lvl x, ULT, and tank opinion

[Pudgey51]

OK so my tac-one is set up with lvl X and i and it works great (almost 3 cases thru and only 1 barrel break no chops). now ive been using basically really tough shelled paints like heat, recsport, whitebox(seconds), and some origin. i wanna try and shoot the more brittle shelled paints...xball series, blaze, marballizer, etc. I have the shorter spring in right now and it works fine however when i was tuning it i tried the uncut spring and it had trouble goin resetting like it was sticking. any ideas? i just dont wanna try and shoot a fast string with the short spring while shooting blaze and next thing is i have soup in the gun...

ULT-ok so i know it lightens the trigger pull but i have heard two things on these forums. That it INCREASES reactivity of the trigger and that it gets rid of all reactiveness. Which is it? i know if u add enough shims to it it will go reactive but under normal set up what is it? I would like to shoot a little faster without doing the pneu conversion. i dont use the reactivity of the trigger right now so im just lookin to shoot a little fast and with ease. Also under normal set up how is the return on the trigger, right now with my tank output set at about 825 the trigger snaps back nicely and doesnt allow "sweet-spotting". it allows for a nice rate of fire without it bouncing off my finger.

Tanks- So i have a few tanks right now and might get another. My question is from ur experience out there is it worth it to have an adjustable reg tank if u dont really need more the 850psi. I tried crankin up the pressure and sweet-spotting and it was cool and all but it wasnt that consistent to me and when i tried to shoot the trigger fast the normal way it would just run away and didnt like it. So im just wondering for peoples opinions on this topic...

Thanx for looking and for any info provided

[Pudgey51]

anybody? lol

[dyeforever]

i have shot some brittle paint using the short spring, but i had a tight carrier. no chops even with a revy.

for the ult it REDUCES the reactivity because the on/off pin is smaller. adding to many shims to the ult will shorten the pin so much it might go into auto when u pull the trigger. i have had this happen to me.

as for the last question, i would stick with the 850psi output. but as i have no experience with a adjustable reg, i cant really say.

[Spider-TW]

It sounds like you've answered most of your opinion questions. If you don't want reactivity and are running semi only, you don't need an adjustable reg. BPS on a reactive trigger will be higher with higher pressure, as well as easier to sweetspot or not.

The design of the ULT on/off is less reactive than the RT on/off, BUT the use of shims allows you to adjust the travel of the ULT on/off right up to the edge of keeping the bolt locked up. I'm referring to REACTIVITY as the effect of the gas charging of the valve body that helps push the trigger back. The 'increase in reactivity' that you read about is the tendency of the effect to cause the trigger to auto-cycle. This allows you ride the trigger like an RT. I haven't had the opportunity to compare the two on/offs in the same valve. Because the RT has a heavier pull and higher "reactive" kick back, it is generally considered easier to control the RT effect, whereas the ULT is prone to runaway once it is setup for RT. The ULT has lower reactive forces, but when shimmed far enough, it will allow you to sweetspot the trigger, sometimes too easily.

For your level 10, the longer spring should be less bolt sitck. Maybe you have some paint on it (painted spring) gumming it up. Try the longest spring..or just try the brittle paint if you can. A little soup trial won't hurt.

[Pudgey51]

thanx to both of u.

Spider- last time i checked it didnt have any paint of the spring but i dont know i dont have it infront of me right now. but ill check and see. I tried the uncut spring thinkin it would give the most force against the bolt, so that if it came against a brittle paintball the bolt would have to work against the spring force more and then with the little resistance from the brittle shell would stop it. However i tried the spring while i was still retuning the bolt so that might have had something to do with it...me

i thought thats what the ULT did i knew if u added eough shims it would be able to sweet-spot which i dont intend to.. my question now to both u and dyeforever is compared to most regular rt/x/retro valves how does the stock pins trigger return compare to the ULTs trigger return...i know its not gonna snap back and allow to sweetspot like the the normal pin but does it at least come back with a little bit of power and not so little that it feel sloppy? if that makes any sense...

[Spider-TW]

I've only tried a ULT once, but sloppy never entered my mind. You can short stroke a pneumag if you try, which has more to do with you putting one finger down as you start to let up on the other. ULTs have been used for conversions that run above 20 bps, so I don't see the return action being sloppy.

The only complaint I have heard about ULTs is that the trigger is light, but it still doesn't walk like an electro. Even after you learn to make a strong walk with it, it's hard to keep a 13 bps rate going continuously, and impossible hit the low 20s on occasion. However, the trigger guard is big enough, some pipe fitter ought to be able to shake their wrist fast enough to do it.

With no electronic (or pneumatic) delay, you will occasionally drop your alternating finger down too soon. The lighter the pull, the faster and longer you can go. What I mean is - The ULT returns better than you can put down your fingers. :)

[Pudgey51]

good to hear!! looks like ill have to pick one up then thanx spider

[dyeforever]

i have had both the ult and the rt on/off in my x-valve. with the ult in my x, the trigger didnt feel sloppy. it felt light but being used to the rt effect i felt it was missing something. the ult kinda felt like the rt on/off minus the rt kickback.

by the way i have a used ult kit for sale if u need one.

[varq]

i have a ULT and after adding the adjustable flatline reg set at 1100 I can now walk the trigger which is pretty sick!