X-Valve HELP!!!

[DcMXMinimag]

So i just received my X-Valve w/ Level 10 and like someone else on this forum I can't even get it to fire once.. we've confirmed that its not the valve, its my gun/trigger as we've put my friends retro valve into my gun and it still wouldnt fire.. its not the sear piece as i swapped it with the new sear and the problem remains.. any help would be greatly appreciated..

EDIT: Could my expansion chamber have anything to do with the problem? I believe the X-valve needs a lot of pressure to operate, correct? Maybe its not getting enough? While I don't know for sure, we feel like if I put the X-Valve on my friends RT-Pro it would work without a problem.

[maniacmechanic]

expansion chamber ??? you are feeding the X HPA right ??
we feel like if I put the X-Valve on my friends RT-Pro it would work without a problem. Try it & see what happens ; process of elimnation

[DcMXMinimag]

expansion chamber ??? you are feeding the X HPA right ??
we feel like if I put the X-Valve on my friends RT-Pro it would work without a problem. Try it & see what happens ; process of elimnation

yes i only have high pressure hpa tanks.. we cant get get the original hose off of his gun, it sounds weird but we really cant (he has a braided hose and i am using macroline

[Coralis]

Does the trigger click when the gun is first aired up ? Try turning up the velocity

[DcMXMinimag]

Does the trigger click when the gun is first aired up ? Try turning up the velocity

Yes.. the trigger is clicking but there is absolutely no activity with the valve, ive tried turning up the velocity, a lot, a little and in between.. thanks for trying to help though, i really do appreciate it

[dixieoutfitter94]

try taking off the expansion chamber and run the air straight to the valve. The expansion chamber could starving it....

[DcMXMinimag]

try taking off the expansion chamber and run the air straight to the valve. The expansion chamber could starving it....

yeah ill have to try that tomorrow cause i dont have a long enough macroline.. i should make clear, for a while my trigger was not clicking when i added air but after playing with it, we got it to start consistently clicking so air is definitely getting through they valve.. its weird though, there are really no leaks at all (maybe the macro a little until i play with it) and its like nothing is tripping the bolt to fire.. there is no movement or clicking what so ever but the trigger is pressured..

[secretweaponevan]

Sounds like your sear is not traveling far enough, or something is impeding the bolt.

Does the bolt move freely off of the valve assembly when the valve is out of the gun?
If you bought the valve used and someone superglued a foamy on while on the valve, they might have superglued the bolt to the valve.

With the marker disasembled, will the bolt pass through the washer in the body into the breach where a ball would be sitting?
If that washer is galled or deformed, it might be holding the bolt in place.

Is your trigger pin only 1/16" from the back of the trigger when the marker is aired up with the trigger in the forward position?
If there is too much of a gap, you might not be moving the trigger/sear far enough to release the bolt.

^The above should eliminate any mechanical problems with the gun. If you clear all of them, let us know so we can start looking at lvl10/ULE trigger troubleshooting below.

Did the valve come with the ULE trigger installed, and do you have the standard RT on/off?

[DcMXMinimag]

we unscrewed the pin behind the trigger out a little bit so now its a little longer and feels secure on the trigger every time it gets pressurized.. i think u may be right about the sear not traveling far enough to release the bolt but i dont know how to adjust that..

i bought the x-valve brand new from Airgun Designs directly so nothing has been fooled around with (and i do not have the ULE trigger because it does not come standard on the level 10 right?).. all i did when i first got it, was lube the carrier orings and bolt and drop it straight in, tightened it down with the field strip screw, attached the hose and air, and tried to fire it and nothing..

is it possible the elbow I put into the valve is not letting air into the valve? the trigger getting pressurized would indicate that it IS getting air right? When I unscew the elbow from the valve, there is a screw in there that runs perpendicular in front of the elbow.. is that supposed to be there, or screwed out that far? (i have no idea what that piece is)

NOTE: my on/off pin doesnt slide "easily" but it still slides in and out with a little force, is this how it should be?

[Spider-TW]

If it doesn't fire once, don't worry about 'starving' your valve. There have been plugged elbows before, but would that explain the RT valve not working?

If you have a classic rail, make sure the sear pin is all the way in the bottom of the slot. Take it out, look and poke around in the bottom and be sure it is clean. Then put the sear in and PUSH down on the pin and be sure it is sitting on the bottom. Sometimes the new sear pins fit a little tight.

[DcMXMinimag]

If I'm understanding what you're saying, the sear pin whouls move freely, which it does.. when aired up, the trigger feels and moves as it should while its pressurized. I'm taking it to a local paintball store soon to try running the macroline straight from the asa to the valve, im crossign my fingers that it helps but I really don't know.. I will also try a new elbow, but as I said earlier, the trigger getting pressurized would indicate to me that air is getting to the valve..

[rawbutter]

Lots of good ideas so far...

Are you sure you have enough air in your tank? X-valves have trouble firing once you get down to about 1000 psi in the tank.

Here's another idea: Your friend has an RT pro... take out his valve and stick it in your gun. If his valve fires, then it's a problem with your X-valve, but if his valve doesn't fire, then there's something wrong with your setup.

[Spider-TW]

If I'm understanding what you're saying, the sear pin whouls move freely, which it does.. when aired up, the trigger feels and moves as it should while its pressurized. I'm taking it to a local paintball store soon to try running the macroline straight from the asa to the valve, im crossign my fingers that it helps but I really don't know.. I will also try a new elbow, but as I said earlier, the trigger getting pressurized would indicate to me that air is getting to the valve..

No, the sear can move on the pin easily even though the pin is not in the botttom of the slot. There isn't much room under the body for the sear to stay up though.

I thought you had already tried rawbutter's idea of swapping the valves. Are you using the standard bolt spring? A long bolt spring and a tight lvl 10 carrier will keep it from firing until you crank the pressure way up. If you hang your bolt and spring down by the valve and you can't shake it off, the carrier is probably too tight.

[DcMXMinimag]

thanks rawbutter but spider's right, we already tried that.. i also got my tank refilled so i had plenty of air.. we switched the valves today and the X-valve worked fine (leaked a little, probably carrier) in my friends RT Pro.. on the phone with the AGD tech today, he advised us to switch the grip frames (so we did), but oddly enough i had the EXACT same problem.. trigger got pressurized but no activity what so ever with the valve.. this may indicate it is a problem with the rail somehow but who knows..

ill be sending the gun along with the X-valve in to the AGD techs tomorrow so we'll see what they say.. thanks for all your help

[secretweaponevan]

A tiny sear crack by the pivot hole can cause the sear to flex instead of release the bolt. Check closely for it.

Also check the clevis to make sure that it isn't bent, cracked or flexing.