E-Mag sear tuning:

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  • Empyreal Rogue
    Zetsubou Billy
    • Apr 2004
    • 1103

    #1

    E-Mag sear tuning:

    Well after getting my Pneumag to 100% working order I decided to go back to finding out what's wrong with my E-Mag. Using my Pneumag's valve, using an E/X-Mag on/off, I aired it up with my E-Mag and it won't fire. The HALL sensor registers the pull and sends the signal to the plunger because I can hear and feel the solenoid. But, the plunger doesn't move and set off the valve. I can actually push the plunger upwards and that will trigger the valve, but on its own it will not fire. The sear is completely screwed into the plunger.

    When I dry fire without a valve the sear has a ton of strong movement. But when the valve is in and aired up the plunger has no strength. I thought it could have been a battery strength (life remaining on this charge) issue but even that doesn't seem like it would make sense. Any ideas on where I should start/look?
    AO Mid-Atlantic Part Duece.

    Come on Powerlyte!
  • PhoenixWolf
    AKA WardenWolf
    • Mar 2006
    • 137

    #2
    Are you using the E-Mag on/off pin? The E-Mag on/off pin is shorter and designed to require less travel before the sear releases, and therefore less force. If not, that should be the first thing you change. Beyond that, your battery may be shot and need replacing. It might not be generating enough current to operate the gun. Try recharging it. If it still doesn't work, it may need to be replaced. As for the sear, contact Tunaman and have him do it if it still has a problem. Don't use Ruler Mark. He doesn't Loctite the threads after adjusting it, ensuring it WILL go out of tune again (somewhere I saved a very nice AIM conversation I had with him after he screwed up my friend's E-Mag).
    Last edited by PhoenixWolf; 05-23-2008, 11:06 PM.

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    • Ruler_Mark
      AKAOG.ORG
      • Aug 2007
      • 2600

      #3
      Wolf, why are you bringing me into this? he didnt say a thing about me in his post. I am nothing but there for people who talk to me. Nice threats, however the facts are I stand behind what I do and I am there for anyone even if I havent touched thier marker. Miller hasnt responded to my messages asking him if he has got it running since the chat we all had together. Nor my emails telling him that I will at not cost to him leaving me at a negative net on this transaction have him send me his gun now whole(It was only lowers when I had it) and get it running for him.

      I use nail poish thanks for saying a half truth. Also leaving out the part where all the emags I have seen havent had red locktite on them, they are suppose to have a locking mechanism as per agd spec all close to spec length have been crimped on the plunger threads meet the brass connector the way out of wack ones are from I am aussming a user error have had that weakened.

      Heres the log. I dont take threats so graciously. Point is I did what was requested on his gun for nothing as a service since it was at 3.1" when I got it for the 3rd party trade I was compelled todo it.

      edit: to sum up the convo: Wolf thinks the plunger is out of spec, from my way of locking it, Turned out the mech trigger rod wasnt long enough for it to fire in mech mode, E mode wasnt ever tested. The valve was never tested before so it can be the point of failure.

      If anyone wants to discuss this further please make a new thread and pm me. Talking behind my back is very nice, or send me a pm.

      And as a final reply Wolf you wouldnt even say who you were on AO, nor would you talk to me after you ran from the chat.



      Now back on topic...



      Secondly if you have a caliper get your plunger length it should be 3.005" as per agd spec.

      3rd check your on/off pin I have seen some emags sold with non emag pins with the claim of being an emag pin and people ask why it doesnt work.

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      • Empyreal Rogue
        Zetsubou Billy
        • Apr 2004
        • 1103

        #4
        I'm not 100% certain that it's an E-Mag on/off, but it is shorter than the R/T pin that I have. It might have even been modified because the bottom is a little scuffed up. It fires perfectly with my pneumag.

        Mark, what do you mean by Plunger length? Is that the length that's exposed when the sear is properly installed, or do you mean the total length of the plunger? I'm not sure than I have a set of digital calipers or not, I'll have to check my workshop when I go back home today.

        I don't plan on sending my lowers to be tuned because I'd like to figure this out on my own so that I can do it for myself again should the need ever arise. And also have the option to help myself and others while in the field as well.
        AO Mid-Atlantic Part Duece.

        Come on Powerlyte!

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        • Ruler_Mark
          AKAOG.ORG
          • Aug 2007
          • 2600

          #5
          Originally posted by Empyreal Rogue
          I'm not 100% certain that it's an E-Mag on/off, but it is shorter than the R/T pin that I have. It might have even been modified because the bottom is a little scuffed up. It fires perfectly with my pneumag.

          Mark, what do you mean by Plunger length? Is that the length that's exposed when the sear is properly installed, or do you mean the total length of the plunger? I'm not sure than I have a set of digital calipers or not, I'll have to check my workshop when I go back home today.

          I don't plan on sending my lowers to be tuned because I'd like to figure this out on my own so that I can do it for myself again should the need ever arise. And also have the option to help myself and others while in the field as well.

          full length. This was after 1 month of use no locking mechanism

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          • Empyreal Rogue
            Zetsubou Billy
            • Apr 2004
            • 1103

            #6
            Thanks Mark, I'll look for a set of calipers and measure it as soon as I find them.
            AO Mid-Atlantic Part Duece.

            Come on Powerlyte!

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            • Empyreal Rogue
              Zetsubou Billy
              • Apr 2004
              • 1103

              #7
              I tore apart my garage yesterday to find my calipers and came up empty. So I'm going to buy a digital pair here in a little bit. I also found out that the pin I'm using in my Pneumag cannot possibly be a legitimate E-Mag pin. I tried the same on/off in the same valve in two different sets of E-Mag lowers and both had the same problem. I had to push the plunger upwards for the gun to fire. Now the problem could still be with my battery, but I can't be sure until I measure the pin. Luckily I do have an extra R/T pin that I can alter to the length of the standard E-Mag pin. If memory serves me correctly it's .720", yes? I'll also measure the plunger distance when I fix up the extra pin I have.
              AO Mid-Atlantic Part Duece.

              Come on Powerlyte!

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              • Mayzons
                Registered User
                • Jul 2005
                • 153

                #8
                Originally posted by Empyreal Rogue
                Luckily I do have an extra R/T pin that I can alter to the length of the standard E-Mag pin. If memory serves me correctly it's .720", yes?
                The e-mag pin is .712 stock but can but ran even shorter for better reactivity
                Last edited by Mayzons; 05-27-2008, 09:47 AM.

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                • Ruler_Mark
                  AKAOG.ORG
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 2600

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Mayzons
                  The e-mag pin is .712 stock but can but ran even shorter for better reactivity

                  If it is too short gun will turn into a FA beast and chew your bolt/sear

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                  • Mayzons
                    Registered User
                    • Jul 2005
                    • 153

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Ruler_Mark
                    If it is too short gun will turn into a FA beast and chew your bolt/sear
                    True indeed

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