Retro Valve not Retro

[steph3nlim]

Okay well i just got my retro valve. so i shoot it. the trigger is stiffer then the stock valve. here are the problems from PSI

700-800
not as reactive, shoot down when shooting fast, burps
800-900
sorta reactive, shoot down after about 12 bps
900-1000
very stiff trigger, not as reactive as expected

i stopped there

[Butterfingers]

You need to call AGD, tell them your problem. They should hook you up with a shorter on/off pin.

If you have a pair of dial calipers you can shave the pin down to .745 yourself.

Some mags need to be fitted to get them back into operating tolerances.

[Cha0tic]

do not shave your on/off pin. they are hardened and shaving them will make them weaker.

call AGD and they will tell ya what you need to do.

[Butterfingers]

To my knowledge only the sear and bolts are hardened. The pin dosent warrant enough abuse to require hardening.

[steph3nlim]

yep yep.. i called and they said they'd send me a free on/off pin, a new one

[Havoc_online]

re: retro valve not retro

I would'nt think you had to use a new piston(on/off pin) or shaving your piston, wouldnt it be the same thing if you were to shorten your trigger pin? Just be carefull when you do this the screw on the pin connecting the sear can be bent, a new sear could run you about 15 dollars. Also don't shorten it too much or you won't be able to pull the trigger far back enough to fire the gun, go little by little, this may use up a lot of gas, but it'll be worth it in the end. If you shorten the trigger pin, you let the piston bounce further out and you give yourself a trigger with more room. This lets the valve bounce the pin pretty good, I don't think you'd have to use that much pressure either, just run a good constant 625-725psi and try running it with a .215 spacer tube, if the valve leaks a litte, a .220 spacer should do the trick. If you want a quicker trigger bounce up your pressure a little, if your chopping balls, you might be to high the balls can't load fast enough, or maybe you just need to lower your velocity or you need a foamie bolt. Please email me to let me know how it went, if it doesnt work maybe I can come up with something else, If it does work I'd still like to know how it went... My email address is [email protected]

[Butterfingers]

Mixing up parts here and there...

The piston has to do with the reg assembly and should not be touched.

The on/off pin is what I am talking about.

Don't adjust the trigger rod.

I don't see any reason to modify the sear pin.

All new mags come standard with 220 spacers.
Smaller spacers fix leaks.

[Havoc_online]

butterfingers is right about the piston, I was talking about the on/off pin.

It's your gun to do what you want to with but if nothing is working, why don't you try what I said ,shortening the trigger rod will work, and putting a bigger spacer fixed my leak, so I guess I'm weird.....

[jah871]

DO NOT mess with the trigger rod legnth, it will only lead to more problems. ask anyone and they will tell you the same thing. my valve wasn't vert reactive and i called AGD for a shorter on off pin and it is very reactive now and the pull is pretty short.

[Havoc_online]

ok, plz, tell me what problems could shortening the trigger rod lead to that can't be fixed easily?

how many rps does your valve do? what kind of tank and input pressure are you running?

I'm running my Rt valve @600psi at a perfect 13rps, no chops or hassles, once I get a warp I'll just up my pressure to pull a little more rps...no problems

I've never had to call AGD for anything what so ever, I've fixed mags and rt's that airsmiths could'nt fix, I know what I'm doing. I don't see why you'd be afraid to make a simple adjustment. I'm not saying go crazy with the rod but it's the same thing as getting a slighty shorter on/off pin (which you dont have to shave and possibly mess up), just ever so slightly shorten it, if your trigger has no play when the gun is pressurized, the rod is too far out and/or the on/off pin is to far down, you can call AGD for a shorter pin which is pointless because of time and hassle, you can shorten the pin which is harder than just moving the rod 1/4 turn or so.
plz ask yourself what is the difference, shorter on/off pin=a shorter rod they are both doing the excat same thing, only you can make this simple adjustment yourself.

[Havoc_online]

I've been looking around on the boards and I came arcoss this....

Main Forum > I am quite possibly the luckiest man in the world

I just found out that i'm going to get an SFL E-Mag, Warp, and flatline. My questions are :

1. What do I need to do for general matenence?
2. How often should i take apart the gun, and lubricate all the orings?
3. How do I adjust the trigger?


All around suggestions, or tips would be nice.

Thank you,

Congrats! You made a good choice. Wait for the 4500 flatlines. Before you do anything watch the supplied video, it shows you how to do everything like adjusting the trigger rod etc.

AGD

ok, Tom said "shows you how to do everything like adjusting the trigger rod etc." now he's the president of the company right? he would most likely know what he was talking about right? I think so, thanks Tom.....

Of course moving your pin will change other aspects of the gun, but your tuning it, don't be afraid of it it's pretty simple to troubleshoot, if you have any other troubles, just ask me....

p.s. I'm sorry If I come off as rude, I'm not trying to start any fights, I like that at least we're debating mags, and it's not some mag/cocker war......

[mykroft]

If you are using an AGD frame with a stock trigger, leave the trigger rod at the stock length, if you lengthen it (Usual Mod) you may cause binding, and the gun will behave erratically. If you are using a third-party frame, the rule of thumb is make sure there is enough space between the trigger and the rod to fit a credit card, otherwise you'll have a sloppy trigger or a binding trigger depending on whether the space is too large or too short(Of course, if you have a Benchy 2x frame, the trigger's going to be sloppy anyways)

[Havoc_online]

it's not the same rod length if he slipped in a retro valve on his mag, that would change things.