questions that need answering

[shooker8]

ok got a mag with ule body, lvl 10, and a xvalve, intel frame and such. what would it take to make it a emag? not spyder mod actual emag. Or should i do pneumag mod? which is better on wallet and performance.

[kruger]

To make it an actual Emag, you would need the Emag lowers. That includes the grip frame with all associated electronics, sol. ect. and a battery pack. Usually run in the range of $300 for a complete working set. You can shoot in either mech. or Electronic mode. You can also do a Hybrid mode that actually uses both modes. Pneu-mag conversions use mech frames and the parts are about $40 give or take a little. You also need a small LPR for air supply. Can be completly hidden in the grip frame. Cost is in the $120 range for a completed setup, frame included. Can be very fast and no batteries at all. Emag is heavier because of the Battery pack and the Sol. in the frame. Pneu-mag is not much heavier than the pure mech guns. Either is a matter of preference or style.

[shooker8]

so if i wanted to play speedball how much would it cost for everything? would i need the emag valve system or just the lower parts?

[paintball72]

the only thing that you need to change with the upper parts (above the rail) in the on/off pin in your valve. you need a specific length .750 i think but someone will come along and correct me on that. so if you get the lowers and the pin, which will sometimes come with the lowers you should be set.

[dark blade]

yup im gonna be that guy to correct you haha

.750 is the pin length for a standard mag or RT mag... the e-mag pin length is actually .712

i run my pin at .700 and it has worked well and very fast.
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As far as whether you should E-mag or Pneu i would get emag lowers but I have never used a pneu setup

it really all comes down to the amount of money you wanna spend... if you have $400-$500 I would get E-mag lowers and have luke go to town on those babies making them uber light and awesome looking... but if you are limited in money a pneu setup is awesome too.


as far as being better on wallet the pneu setup is def the way to go... but you dont get the modes or caps of a normal electro so its a trade off in that aspect

[shooker8]

so should i go pneumag or emag? benefits and advantages of both?

[dark blade]

Here is the breakdown and my reccomendation is at the end
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E-mag pros and cons
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pros - if its xmod you have 7 modes plus a training mode... plus hybrid and mech modes
- you can completely limit or unlimit your ROF and control your consistancy completely
through dwell
- you never have to worry about any hoses bursting or any lpr problems
- if the battery dies you can still run it in fully mech mode
- you get a nice battery pack to hold onto and gives a great grip (in my opinion)
- maintain worth throughout the ages

cons - its electronic so things can malfunction
- it cost more
- it doesnt walk anymore easily than a pneumag (most of the time)
- its heavy... more than double that of an ego unless its ULE'd


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and now for the pneumag
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pros - its walkable
- there is no electric board so you dont have to worry about any malfunctions
- you dont have to cap anything because it is completely mechanical
(most tournys dont require a cap for mechs)
- its pretty cheap compared to a good emag
- extremely light compared to an emag
- maintain value pretty well and sell well too.

cons - it requires an install and things can be installed wrong
- although there is no board there are hoses that can burst
- it is less efficient than an emag because it requires air for the trigger
- you need to mod to fit an lpr in the grips or fit it on the asa somewhere (or front grip)
- you only have semi, no "fun modes" for backyard play or testing
- there is no dwell setting so consistancy is not controllable and ROF is not either... its
all in the fingers with a pneumag




thats a pretty decent breakdown of the two... now mind you I have never owned a pneumag and therefore am partial to my e-tac but in all honesty i feel that emag lowers perform sooooo much better and have so much more use than a pneumag. You can garauntee that every tourny will allow emag lowers when the settings are correct and the jumpers are in, but im not sure about the pneu setup because there is no cap (some places actually care but most do not)

as far as price comparison Emag lowers - $350 (usual price with xmod)
pneumag setup - $150

weight comparison complete emag - 3.5 lbs (not 100% accurate and consistent)
pneumag setup - 2.5 lbs (not 100% accurate and consistant)


END RESULT - !!!! - In my opinion... you sacrafice weight and price for useability and performance. But it depends ultimately on which you want more, price or performance. IMHO







note to all... please feel free to correct me seeing as i do not own a pneumag and am only going off what i have researched about them... and my emag is new to me so some info might be missing or incorrect

[shooker8]

that helps a lot thats all i was looking for.

[dark blade]

no problem... i knew that was wat you were looking for from the start i was just too damn lazy to type it all haha sorry i made you wait for your answer

[Hgblues]

Take your setup like it is, and do the E pneu mod, is also an option. Buy the ram, solenoid, scenario dreams universal T board. End up with an electro mag, with your 9v battery in the grip. Can be done for around 150 bucks or so. I've recently completed mine, and played 1 tournament with it and loved it. 13.3 ramp with no eyes and I broke 1 ball all day.

[shooker8]

so would a pneumag be legal? or can i make it legal?

[Coralis]

yeah a pneumag is a purely mech mag without any rt effects, it should be 100% legal anywhere you go.