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  • dark blade
    I<3AGD|WGP|WDP|APS|CCI|CCM
    • Apr 2008
    • 733

    #1

    emag full auto problem

    My emag is going into full auto when i do not want it to... I can get it to semi and i can get it to RT in hybrid mode but when i put it into mech mode it doesnt fire and when its in electro i can still make the trigger bounce... Any ideas?

    the tank is only at about 200-300 psi left in it and is a high pressure tank

    My on/off pin was last measured at a tad less than .7 ... maybe like .695

    What could the issue be?

    Is it the pressure? Do i need to tune the level 10 more? Is it solenoid not wired correctly? Is it the pin length? What could be the problem?

    I just tried the marker with the fix at 70 and the ROF at 8 and it still bounces so i dont htink its the solenoid but it still could be right?
  • seekandestroy78
    alex delarge look alike
    • May 2004
    • 666

    #2
    its your pin.

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    • dark blade
      I<3AGD|WGP|WDP|APS|CCI|CCM
      • Apr 2008
      • 733

      #3
      can anyone second that? i know that happens all the time on mechs... but i have read a few times of people having theirs as short as .68 and it still working

      I will not be too havppy if its the pin because i want it to work

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      • seekandestroy78
        alex delarge look alike
        • May 2004
        • 666

        #4
        do you have actual calipers or are you just eyeballing it?

        you need some good calipers and a pin with the correct length.

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        • dark blade
          I<3AGD|WGP|WDP|APS|CCI|CCM
          • Apr 2008
          • 733

          #5
          i have a good set of calipers that can measure to .01 of an inch so i shaved the pin to to .around .7 maybe a very very very slight longer or shorter i cant remember

          if its the pin are there any mods i can do to make it longer?

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          • BigEvil
            www.BigEvilOnline.com

            • Feb 2005
            • 9333

            #6
            What software? What trigger?

            I run .700 (and smaller) pins in all my emags. You could have a couple of things going on;

            1-FIX setting on Xmod is too low
            2-Solenoid wired incorrectly (see Xmod manual)
            3-Trigger return magnets are over-shimmed, meaning the trigger pull is too light
            4-Trigger rod is hitting the back of the trigger while it is still pulled back. Very common with Xmod in the ramping modes, even if the trigger rod is shorter than spec.

            If you are still using AGD software, I would lean towards #3.

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            • seekandestroy78
              alex delarge look alike
              • May 2004
              • 666

              #7
              its xmod 1.8 with a stock double trigger.

              fresh from modmymag.com like 2 weeks ago so i'd assume its wired correctly

              they used to be my lowers.

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              • dark blade
                I<3AGD|WGP|WDP|APS|CCI|CCM
                • Apr 2008
                • 733

                #8
                Ohhhhh I didn't even think about the trigger pull itself... I made it as long as possible due to preference and I can see the trigger moving when it goes full auto... that's probably the problem, I wil try it when I get home in 20 minutes and if not I will try to shim the trigger less to make it a heavier pull () oh well

                Ill let you guys know and it still bounces even when the fix is at 70 and like seek said I would assume its wired correctly

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                • seekandestroy78
                  alex delarge look alike
                  • May 2004
                  • 666

                  #9
                  i'm pretty sure theres only one magnet in there, when i owned them i never had all the magnets.

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                  • dark blade
                    I<3AGD|WGP|WDP|APS|CCI|CCM
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 733

                    #10
                    ok well i messed with the trigger and made the pull shorter... sure enough it works now with no bounce at all and its still really light

                    However, it chuffs a lot in semi even on electro mode and it was chopping a few here and there... any ideas? I know i have to tune the level 10 extremely badly but could this be the problem with the chuffing?

                    please help guys

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                    • BigEvil
                      www.BigEvilOnline.com

                      • Feb 2005
                      • 9333

                      #11
                      Originally posted by dark blade
                      ok well i messed with the trigger and made the pull shorter... sure enough it works now with no bounce at all and its still really light

                      However, it chuffs a lot in semi even on electro mode and it was chopping a few here and there... any ideas? I know i have to tune the level 10 extremely badly but could this be the problem with the chuffing?

                      please help guys

                      -Raise your dwell. 15-30.
                      -DONT set your ROF above 20.

                      Report back your settings.

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                      • Ratt
                        I Beta-tested your girl...
                        • Apr 2002
                        • 883

                        #12
                        My Emag has the XMod. It was chuffing REALLY bad. I changed out the spring...no more chuffing. I don't know if that is what's wrong with yours, but I think it's worth a shot.

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                        • dark blade
                          I<3AGD|WGP|WDP|APS|CCI|CCM
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 733

                          #13
                          change out which spring? the red, gold, or silver level 10 springs? I have the dwell set to about 13 (which i thought was in the recommended range) and it was chuffing

                          I was also getting terrible efficiency, i could literally watch the gauge go down when i walked to trigger for 5 seconds on a 48/45

                          I am out of air and will have to make an attempt at this later, but for now i will raise the dwell to 30 (which shouldnt matter cuz it doesnt effect efficiency right?) and will work from there with the dwell... i will also try each spring over the chrono to find which one i need

                          I will do all of this on sunday and will report back to you

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                          • Ratt
                            I Beta-tested your girl...
                            • Apr 2002
                            • 883

                            #14
                            Honestly, I can't remember which spring I had in there, a gold or silver. I just remember swapping them out. I do know that it wasn't a red spring

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                            • Ruler_Mark
                              AKAOG.ORG
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 2600

                              #15
                              take the gun apart see if your sear or bolt is worn

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