emag software issue

[Chris Nearchos]

I've usually let others fight my battles

That is pretty sad

Buying the source code - $10,000 is my price... if I liked you I might even sell it for $5,000. Ahh ok but there's no way you have the money to afford the source code and besides I don't think you're smart enough to do anything with it anyway so what's the point.

wow, then you best go issue a new X-mod manual. stating $2000 there....then coming here demanding $10,000 from me now for it, just beacuse you dont like me. But yet you'll openly state that if you do like anybody else that trys to buy it, its only $5000.


and for you to say such a comment towards me, "I don't think you're smart enough to do anything with it anyway so what's the point" . I mean wow, What are you thinking??? Openly trashing a solid AO member just because you dont "like" them for some odd reason. I have not done a thing to you. and if your mad at me because i stated the "slow" thing....you only have the right to hate yourself, becuase that is the truth of how our deals have gone. nothing i can controll, it was all on your end. nor was i using it to trash you, just stating the simple truth.

And just so you know of my "smartness", i do have the ability and knowlege to reverse engineer your software. But i rather respect you and honor your intelligence for making the software by buying the coding. Which if the project i am working on will work with, would mean a whole lot more sales for you with your programmers and software. but i guess as you say...iam too dumb to do anything...let alone help you out in the end.

so i guess i will be off to work on a new board design for E/X-mags and just push a whole new system in my spare time. oh but i guess i cant because you said i'am too stupid to know what to do with programming.


And yes, i dont have a phone to call you on. I am in college (going on my forth year) and have not found a need to have a phone running and wasting money. I do all my comunication to family and friends either online or in person. And no i can not use another person's phone to contact you because it isnt my phone to be using to make deals. maybe a bit weird, but it is what i believe and stand by.


and one last note. I am glad your not a mod on AO. because i have done nothing that would lead to me being banned as you so desired. I have followed AO rules on everything since day one of my membership. and if you thinking me helping a fellow out that has a serious problem from so called "pirated" software is a problem to you...that is sad. I have no care what software is on it or how it got to be on it. I only want to help make it correct before someone seriously gets hurt. which if they did.....do you know how bad that would affect us of the AO cummunity? well, you would be probably involved with a nice law suit, along with AGD. and depending how it goes....we might not see another great new AO product for a really long time.

So i am not sorry to you for helping this kid out. and honestly i dont think you have the right to be yelling at him. he bought another person's service. go yell at mark for offering that service....not the buyer. cause the buyer isnt the one breaking your Xmod rules....mark is.


have a nice day,
-Chris

[BigEvil]

I would assume that the problem is that people are selling the "service".

That's probably the case.

[punkncat]

Lorne,

Wow man, that is a wee bit harsh. I think you are barking up the wrong tree getting onto Nearchos. I think his whole intention was simply to help the other fellow, who apparently doesn't know you, or the agreement about your software that apparently someone else is breaking by doing these flashes. The personal attack, calling him "stupid", is in essence trolling and really should with no other mitigating circumstances pull you a ban. It is against the rules. Offering helpful suggestions to people with problems in the tech forum is not.

Now I don't know what else is going on between you guys, apparently more than meets the eye.

Something else that I wonder is this. Have you patented (or whatever) your code? Or have you taken any other steps to enforce your TOS?

Letting other people defend you certainly does not place you in a stronger position to defend what is rightfully yours. It is your work, your code, so instead of sitting back letting others defend your intellectual property and being all pissed about it when someone ELSE didn't happen to watch your butt in this certain situation...well honestly do I need say more?

Don't get me wrong brother, I am not for or against you. I see where you come from and why you should and can be upset. But going off on a tirade against a fellow who is not the one that "pirated" your code is not going to accomplish jack.

[dark blade]

well the end to all this is right now... if people dont like what is happening then lorne you should go after Modmymag.com beacuse he is installing a free software through a device that he paid for and is doing it for free to everyone

and just as a side note to end this all... if someone were to buy your programmer and flashed their board to xmod 1.whatever would you expect them to remove the flash when they sell the programmer? because if not then they get their money back and its still a free flash so either way its the exact same thing

Someone can sell that 1 programmer unlimited times and you still only see the original price but everyone gets the free flashing.

I am done with this and if anyone wants to permaban me for starting a "help me" thread and nit-picking into details then fine. But i do not think i should be yelled at or threatened to any extent for taking advantage or a service that is offered for free and has been offered to many many many many of the AO members on here... if this were the case half this site would probably be banned and half the world would be arrested for at sometime or another "stealing software"

[LorneCash]

Very simply I expect that when a gun that has my software is sold is either is sold with the programmer or the software is removed.

well the end to all this is right now... if people dont like what is happening then lorne you should go after Modmymag.com beacuse he is installing a free software through a device that he paid for and is doing it for free to everyone

and just as a side note to end this all... if someone were to buy your programmer and flashed their board to xmod 1.whatever would you expect them to remove the flash when they sell the programmer? because if not then they get their money back and its still a free flash so either way its the exact same thing

Someone can sell that 1 programmer unlimited times and you still only see the original price but everyone gets the free flashing.

I am done with this and if anyone wants to permaban me for starting a "help me" thread and nit-picking into details then fine. But i do not think i should be yelled at or threatened to any extent for taking advantage or a service that is offered for free and has been offered to many many many many of the AO members on here... if this were the case half this site would probably be banned and half the world would be arrested for at sometime or another "stealing software"

[dark blade]

ok well to add to this... i would just like to inform you that i am basically a 4th generation buyer of what i own

you created the software
mark bought the programmer
seekanddestroy sent his lowers to mark for a tune up, new battery, and flashing
and i bought the lowers from him

im sooooo far out of the loop as far as blame goes, and there is no way you can expect someone to remove the software if they sell the lowers... thats just never going to happen. Its the reason most people buy lowers in the first place

[LorneCash]

I expect people to own a programmer... if you own a programmer it's not a problem to flash 3.2 back on. It takes longer to get the screws out than to flash the software. I dont' hate people for trying to get a deal like you did but It would be nice if there were some donations people who got the software without buying a programmer... but you're probably not going to be sending me any money so I'll tell you what I still have 20-30ish programmers here if I sell all of them I will post the fully commented source code on AO.

ok well to add to this... i would just like to inform you that i am basically a 4th generation buyer of what i own

you created the software
mark bought the programmer
seekanddestroy sent his lowers to mark for a tune up, new battery, and flashing
and i bought the lowers from him

im sooooo far out of the loop as far as blame goes, and there is no way you can expect someone to remove the software if they sell the lowers... thats just never going to happen. Its the reason most people buy lowers in the first place

[dark blade]

I expect people to own a programmer... if you own a programmer it's not a problem to flash 3.2 back on. It takes longer to get the screws out than to flash the software. I dont' hate people for trying to get a deal like you did but It would be nice if there were some donations people who got the software without buying a programmer... but you're probably not going to be sending me any money so I'll tell you what I still have 20-30ish programmers here if I sell all of them I will post the fully commented source code on AO.

i feel thats a good deal... lets try to get these things sold

and i would have donated if you tried to help me with my problem instead of just hijacking a help thread to make people try to feel terrible about doing what all americans do at one point in their life... cheat a system.

[LorneCash]

PM I sent to Chris Yesterday

Chris, I'm sorry. you're right I did go off on you for no reason... it's not your fault I was really mad at mark not you and I'm sorry for calling you stupid... I have edited my post. If you do wanna talk to me about whatever please call me. Email is great for exchanging information but I just don't like to use email for conversation.

I would ask that you please edit/remove your post as well but if you don't wont to it's up to you.

[Ruler_Mark]

Lorne, replied to your pm. All anger on this should be directed to me.

[Chris Nearchos]

PM I sent to Chris Yesterday

Chris, I'm sorry. you're right I did go off on you for no reason... it's not your fault I was really mad at mark not you and I'm sorry for calling you stupid... I have edited my post. If you do wanna talk to me about whatever please call me. Email is great for exchanging information but I just don't like to use email for conversation.

I would ask that you please edit/remove your post as well but if you don't wont to it's up to you.

Appology accepted. Now lets get done to business and see about what we can get done.

-Chris

[dark blade]

ok well all this is over with and i got the mag working 100% again, i reset all the settings to the standard (i just made that up) settings from the xmod manual and it works fine, so i reset my own settings and its still fine


must have been some weird glitch in it.

[LorneCash]

In general the menus may seem to skip sometimes... this is because there is not dbounce code on the buttons... I know I'm going to sound like a broken record but there wasn't room... that was one of the things I took out to add other features. In any event the most I have ever seen it skip personally is 2 items and usually the next time around it wont' do it again or at least it's not consistent as to what it is skipping. I'm pretty sure that was the problem here. This can usually be solved simply by trying to push the button faster.

[KC]

I expect people to own a programmer... if you own a programmer it's not a problem to flash 3.2 back on. It takes longer to get the screws out than to flash the software. I dont' hate people for trying to get a deal like you did but It would be nice if there were some donations people who got the software without buying a programmer... but you're probably not going to be sending me any money so I'll tell you what I still have 20-30ish programmers here if I sell all of them I will post the fully commented source code on AO.

With respect I have a question. Why did you distribute the programmers rather then sell the service? Or if distribution was an issue, wouldn't selling pre programmed boards with a core charge be a better method?

If you had to do it again, would you do it the same way?