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  • aldumil
    Registered User
    • Oct 2008
    • 59

    #1

    new emag, need help

    Just got it, the problems are, its shoots two or three balls at once most of the time, it will get a single ball out occasionaly but its rare, and the rest of time (seems to be just when I try and shoot faster) it just huffs at me alot. Also, sometimes I will shoot, then I pull trigger and nothing happens but it will shoot the next time I pull the trigger. Any help is appreciated.
  • MANN
    I am in TN. GO VOLS.
    • Apr 2006
    • 4266

    #2
    ahhh. where to start.

    what software are you running?
    what psi are you running?
    what is the length of your on/off pin? (are you using an rt on/off?
    Does it double shoot in mech or E mode? or both?

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    • aldumil
      Registered User
      • Oct 2008
      • 59

      #3
      Originally posted by MANN
      ahhh. where to start.

      what software are you running?
      what psi are you running?
      what is the length of your on/off pin? (are you using an rt on/off?
      Does it double shoot in mech or E mode? or both?
      its XMOD 1.8 beta
      its a 4500 psi tank, it usually won't recock below 1500.
      not sure, I took it my local shop and apparently it had a ULT in it, the guy put the right one in it, thats all I know really.
      and it does it in both.

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      • FiXeL
        Registered Gun-Whore
        • May 2006
        • 819

        #4
        What kind of regulator do you use on the tank? It must be atleast 800 psi output or higher. If not, this would explain the chuffing.

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        • MANN
          I am in TN. GO VOLS.
          • Apr 2006
          • 4266

          #5
          1500psi is way to high. you want ~ 1000 for an emag

          what is your dwell, ROF, etc set at?

          do you own a set of calipers?

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          • aldumil
            Registered User
            • Oct 2008
            • 59

            #6
            Originally posted by MANN
            1500psi is way to high. you want ~ 1000 for an emag

            what is your dwell, ROF, etc set at?

            do you own a set of calipers?

            ROF - 15, dwell - 15, fix - 20. so I have to get a female reg for my tank? I'd only seen a few people with them so I didn't think it was a necassity.

            and I'm working on calipers, I'll probably get a set in the morning.

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            • secretweaponevan
              Only HALF Polish!
              • Sep 2007
              • 1132

              #7
              Originally posted by MANN
              1500psi is way to high. you want ~ 1000 for an emag
              I think aldumil means that he gets bolt stick when the tank's pressure goes below 1500 psi.

              Sounds like bad detentes, a force feed loader and a poorly tuned LVL 10 to me.

              Remember that it is doing it in mech too, meaning that this is most likely has at least a mechanical problem.

              From MCB:
              Originally posted by aldumil
              ok, scratch that, just need an exceptionally tiny socket. pretty much fixed the on/off. and I got a squeegie and push back on the bolt, and that worked, so I guess I need to tune it. only problem is, I don't have any of the things secretweaponevan mentioned.(carriers)
              A poorly tuned LVL 10 with too tight a carrier and too strong a bolt spring would double load and chuff a lot.

              He also said that when he got it it had a ULT in it.

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              • aldumil
                Registered User
                • Oct 2008
                • 59

                #8
                k, I don't know what happened, huge brain fart, I'll blame it on not playing paintball in four years....but anyway, yes, the tanks output is 1000 psi. I measured some stuff, the plunger length is 3.004 in. and the sear length is 2.125 in. which (according the xmod manual I'm looking at) is what it should be-ish.

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                • aldumil
                  Registered User
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 59

                  #9
                  I may have solved the double/triple feeding problem.....at some point the detent fell out, its still screwed in, but the little ball isn't there anymore. awesome.

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                  • sffudapparel
                    Skydive!
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 604

                    #10
                    Originally posted by aldumil
                    I may have solved the double/triple feeding problem.....at some point the detent fell out, its still screwed in, but the little ball isn't there anymore. awesome.
                    yeah, I've had that happen to me before too.

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                    • secretweaponevan
                      Only HALF Polish!
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 1132

                      #11
                      Originally posted by aldumil
                      I may have solved the double/triple feeding problem.....at some point the detent fell out, its still screwed in, but the little ball isn't there anymore. awesome.
                      Cool beans!

                      With 2 or 3 balls in the breach, it would probably provide enough resistance to trip the LVL 10.

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                      • flyingpootang
                        Magtechian with X disease

                        • Dec 2005
                        • 2276

                        #12
                        Originally posted by aldumil
                        I may have solved the double/triple feeding problem.....at some point the detent fell out, its still screwed in, but the little ball isn't there anymore. awesome.
                        Some detents require a thicker or 2 o-rings to obtain the propper distance away from the bolt...

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                        • aldumil
                          Registered User
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 59

                          #13
                          It is still doing the same thing though, basically I'll fire once and then the pin the trigger pushes against will go limp, then I hear a pop and it goes stiff, and then I can shoot about 4 or 5 times but it just huffs, then I'll hear another click and it will shoot normally again, and it just does that over and over. thats in mech mode, in e-mode I get one shot, then nothing, after it sits for a few seconds it will be ready to shoot again. I tried pushing the bolt back with a squeege but that doesn't do anything.....

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                          • secretweaponevan
                            Only HALF Polish!
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 1132

                            #14
                            Originally posted by aldumil
                            It is still doing the same thing though, basically I'll fire once and then the pin the trigger pushes against will go limp, then I hear a pop and it goes stiff, and then I can shoot about 4 or 5 times but it just huffs, then I'll hear another click and it will shoot normally again, and it just does that over and over. thats in mech mode, in e-mode I get one shot, then nothing, after it sits for a few seconds it will be ready to shoot again. I tried pushing the bolt back with a squeege but that doesn't do anything.....

                            What you are describing sounds like one of two things: (test in mech mode)
                            • 1. The gun is not getting enough pressure to recharge fast enough
                              • a. Try a different tank
                              • b. Try a different ASA
                              • c. Check the mag's reg for crap/debris
                              • d. Turn up your velocity until it vents, then back it off until it stops. Be sure to chrono at this point to make sure you are getting up to pressure.
                            • 2. Your bolt is sticking and not allowing the sear to rise.
                              • a. Dry fire in mech mode with a sqeegie beyond where the bolt can travel. When trigger goes limp, push on bolt with squeegie. If it then clicks into place, Make sure your bumper isn't swollen and your powertube tip is screwed in all the way.
                              • b. Make sure you still have a rail bushing in place.


                            That's all I can come up with for now.

                            If you know someone with a mag, swap your valve and see if your valve is the culprit. If not, your body might be out of spec.
                            Last edited by secretweaponevan; 10-13-2008, 09:27 PM.

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                            • dark blade
                              I<3AGD|WGP|WDP|APS|CCI|CCM
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 733

                              #15
                              a female regulator? not sure what you mean... if you take the input pressure of the tank which is 1000 thats plenty fine, not too high not too low.

                              The double and triple feeding is due to the detents (95% sure) so if there are any other problems let us know. The only thing left you need to do is tune the level X to make sure you have no resistance against your new detent setup. Throw a ball in the chamber and fire it off... then put in another round and fire one off... try that and if all goes well try dry firing, if its all good then sweet

                              if not post up what your problems are still and i will try my best to help you out with my wealth of knowledge.

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