converting an RT Mag for CO2

[F-N-U]

ok so i have posted this on a few different forums but no one has given me a good solution yet... figure this being AO it would be a good place to get hard to find info... what i'm trying to do is make a RT Mag safe for CO2... in the winter HPA is no problem at all but i play a lot of outlaw ball in the summer & don't have access to all day fills... is there anything i can do to make the RT functional running off co2??? i need to figure this out ASAP so i can move forward with the deal

[Madmarx]

I've run co2 in my X valves w/ a remote in the summer without any problems.

[F-N-U]

ok but will one fit into an RT body??? if so any clue where & how much i could grab an x valve for??? i mean is the AGD site still running & up to date??? i haven't owned a mag in many years... in fact i haven't even sot a semi in almost 2 years

[punkncat]

Tom says you shouldn't. He designed the Mag and it much smarter about them that anyone else. I trust his judgement.

To be honest, I have not had great luck with any Mag on CO2. Even classics tend to be finiky on it. Not saying it won't work, just that HPA is better.
There are other markers that are much more suited for use with CO2.

[F-N-U]

Tom says you shouldn't. He designed the Mag and it much smarter about them that anyone else. I trust his judgement.

To be honest, I have not had great luck with any Mag on CO2. Even classics tend to be finiky on it. Not saying it won't work, just that HPA is better.
There are other markers that are much more suited for use with CO2.

well yeah i'd trust the designer over just about anyone but there has got to be a way to do it... i mean i don't want to have to pick up a few HPA tanks to make it threw a day of play yanno

i'm well aware there are guns that are more suited to using co2 but this is the first real chance i've had to pick up the same style mag i had back in the day & would really love it if i could figure out a way to make it work

[Madmarx]

RT and X valve are the same internally.
Sorry, I just assumed you knew that.
I used a coil remote w/ the tank in a vertical rear pack.
If you're not using an electro frame or have crazy fast fingers on a mech then I think you'll be fine.
If the designer of the valve says "no" then do so at your own risk.

[secretweaponevan]

If this is a classic RT, you are kind of boned.

If it is an RT pro, you could just pick up a cheap classic valve and do the swap for summer.

Because of the speed of which the RT family of valves recharges, the air heats up pretty significantly. If you do that to CO2, you will overpressurize and cause all sorts of problems, safety being one of them.

[F-N-U]

If this is a classic RT, you are kind of boned.

doh!!! thats not what i wanted to hear ... there has to be a solution to this other than buying a scuba tank

[DanMan]

just buy a classic mag

[F-N-U]

just buy a classic mag

i don't really want a classic mag... besides i don't know someone selling one... i do however know someone selling an RT Mag thats willing to trade some stuff for it... i have all winter to get this figured out... maybe i'll be able to track down a cheap scuba tank by summer time

[BigEvil]

ok so i have posted this on a few different forums but no one has given me a good solution yet... figure this being AO it would be a good place to get hard to find info... what i'm trying to do is make a RT Mag safe for CO2... in the winter HPA is no problem at all but i play a lot of outlaw ball in the summer & don't have access to all day fills... is there anything i can do to make the RT functional running off co2??? i need to figure this out ASAP so i can move forward with the deal

There is really nothing iron clad you can do to make an RT valve function properly on CO2. They were designed to work on HPA, and getting liquid in them causes all sorts of supercharging and over pressurizing issues.

As long as the RT you want to get is not an RT classic (with the oddball valve and banjo bolt), then I suggest buying it and trying to pick up a classic valve for c02 use. You could just swap out the valves for different situations.

[craltal]

It is very important to find out if we are talking about an original RT or a RT pro. the original RT has a very limited upgrade path due to it's design (gas thru rail, special banjo bolt, etc.) while an RT pro is much more forgiving.

the original RT looks like this:

http://airgundesignsusa.com/museum/RT.htm

[Wicked_Silence]

Yeah, I wouldn't try running my RT on CO2, but I have 'heard' that it is possible.

You need a remote and an expansion chamber before the input into the marker. Now with that said, that is what I've heard. I've never seen this setup and have no idea what safety issues might arise with this. So as stated before, do this at your own risk. If "THE MAN" himself says that CO2 isn't viable for an RT, then I'd go with that.

[athomas]

You would have to put a palmers stabilizer on the input and have it set to about 550 to 600 psi. You would have to use a level 7 bolt. The lower operating pressure wouldn't allow the use of a level 10. By lowering the input pressure, you might negate some of the CO2 problems that occur in the RT valves due to their fast recharge rate.

[craltal]

You would have to put a palmers stabilizer on the input and have it set to about 550 to 600 psi. You would have to use a level 7 bolt. The lower operating pressure wouldn't allow the use of a level 10. By lowering the input pressure, you might negate some of the CO2 problems that occur in the RT valves due to their fast recharge rate.

I beg to differ, there's no need to double reg the valve. While it would absolutely guarantee no over pressuring, the risk of shoot down imho, is too high. If he were to go that route, he could have it set high enough to use a level X without issue