Automags - Difficult Maintenance & Unreliable?

[Lancer X]

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[Lancer X]

The breaks could be that you are short stroking the trigger. If your not giving it a full pull an return then that could be just you getting used to the feel of the trigg when trying to shoot fast. Unlike an electro where it is a switch and electronics fireing the marker, its how you pull and release the trig that needs a little adjusting. PM me when you get good with it an i will give you a trick to get a higher BPS.

Glad you like it so far... Question: how is it as far as messing with, fixing and all that jazz...???

Cy

Hmm, yeah I just found out about the trigger needing a full-travel pull. Not sure I'm crazy about this fact. I mean, if you want to shoot accurately, jerking the trigger hard isn't the best technique...

Re. tearing down the gun and such - seems to be no problem. If you aren't a mechanically-inclined person, it might be more daunting, dunno. Everything I've had to do to it so far has been simple, and I've had it torn down a few times. I'll let you know what the lvl 10 tuning process is like after I've got it installed.

[Spider-TW]

A loader can only stop chops if it has paint to push with. A level 7 will often give you a chop at the end of your loader since the only time you let it go empty is when you are too busy shooting. Level 10 bolts take some getting used to, but they definitely work.

the trigger doesn't need as much a full pull as a full release, so that the valve can recharge. Trigger stops help if your are a masher like some of us.

[chopper duke]

I've been playing for awhile now. I was a cocker guy through and through for years. Probably because when I first started playing on a regular basis, my best friend had a mag and we were ALWAYS competing with each other. He got a mag, I got a cocker.

I went from cocker to cocker and finally got into PPS brass. I had a 1K and a 2K Blazer and recently traded my 2K for a Pnuemag. When I got it was thinking it was gonna be a PITA to time if it somehow managed to get untimed (like most of my cockers were). Oh. My. God! This thing was so fast for a mech! I really liked it so I began looking for older mags. I came across an old "parts" mini mag I picked up for cheap because I was told it wouldn't shoot.

As soon as I got it, I pulled it apart and when I took the bolt off, something was stuck in it. A quick question on here and I was told to check the powertube tip. Sure enough, the tip had broken in half (I have no idea how, that's how I got it). I was able to remove the broken tip from inside the bolt. I had a spare tip I had picked up in a big gear bag trade. I put it on (spacer and everything else was still in the powertube) and oiled the valve assembly. Put it back in the gun and it shot like a champ. I had a working Mini Mag with matching valve numbers for $35 a powertube tip I already had and a few minutes of my time.

So yes, they are easy to tech. Watch the Tom Kaye videos on you tube. They're old, but I've learned a lot already. I'm sure from now on, I'll always have a mag, or three!

[cyberave68]

There is a few way to fix the pull on the mag. First Air up the gun, and look at the sear arm and where it sits on the back of the trigg. Point the gun down and you should only see a small gap between the trig and the sear arm. If the gap is bigger than say the thickness of a razor blade then simply turn the pin till it comes out more. That is why it has threads and that brass piece. (its actually called a yolk... Not sure why?) Adjust it till it alomst hits the back of the trig and then get a trig stop set screw. Then all you need to do it adjust the stop till the gun wont shoot. back it off like quarter turn and that will take out all the excess travel and help with the choppin a bit....

Cy

[Spider-TW]

(its actually called a yolk... Not sure why?)

It is a yoke. Like an oxen yoke, a rigid harness for control.

[DevilMan]

It is a yoke. Like an oxen yoke, a rigid harness for control.

Well thank you Merriam!!!



DM

[cyberave68]

It is a yoke. Like an oxen yoke, a rigid harness for control.

[blackdeath]

Find this shop mans opinion quite funny.

I played paintball for the first time in 7 years yesterday. The only thing that I did to my 0ld 97 model rt to get it ready was put oil in it. I didnt clean anything. Should have. But I didnt. My only problem was a little bolt stick. Ill get that fixed and all will be well. And the stick wasnt bad enough to make it whare I couldnt use the gun. It was just anoying. I never have had any problems with an automag unless using co2 as the air suply. The first mag I had was baught in 96 and I played with them till 02 when I had quit playing. So you shouldn have any issues with them. Just take care and have fun with it.

[Hotshot33610]

I can kinda see things from the field owner's point of view, having had trouble with mags I've purchased myself.

To me, mags just arn't quite as easy to figure out as cockers are. Everything is nicely contained within the valve, out of sight, while with a cocker you can just look at it and see how it works.

Without the internet and the knowledge of others, I really don't think I would have ever been able to diagnose the problems I've had.

[Lancer X]

There is a few way to fix the pull on the mag. First Air up the gun, and look at the sear arm and where it sits on the back of the trigg. Point the gun down and you should only see a small gap between the trig and the sear arm. If the gap is bigger than say the thickness of a razor blade then simply turn the pin till it comes out more. That is why it has threads and that brass piece. (its actually called a yolk... Not sure why?) Adjust it till it alomst hits the back of the trig and then get a trig stop set screw. Then all you need to do it adjust the stop till the gun wont shoot. back it off like quarter turn and that will take out all the excess travel and help with the choppin a bit....

Cy

Awesome - thanks Cy!

Can you explain more about this trigger stop set screw? Does it go through the trigger, like on most modern electros? Or come out of the grip frame behind the trigger? (I have the classic AGD CF single-trigger grip frame. Will I have to drill and tap a hole for the screw??)

FYI, my high-pressure valve piston is arriving today, and so I'll be installing my lvl 10 bolt over the next few days. This should also help with the chops.

[cfos00]

The level X should take care of the chopping. I had a problem with that when I went to my first mag about 10 years ago from a Nova (built the RT from a Retro Valve and went from there). The level X is a godsend, and getting used to the trigger will/would have helped a ton with chopping too.

I shoot a mag, cocker, angel, and ePGP, and in my opinion the learning curve on the mag is about the easiest of any gun I've ever had. Putting the Level X and pneu-ing the frame are the biggest adjustments my gun has had in a decade, and it took twenty minutes to get both up and running. They're also about as bulletproof as they come. My mag has broken down...once...in ten years...because of one worn out o-ring..and I am by no means special in that right. You made good calls with what you bought and what you've put on it, and should be able to spend as much time as you want on the field and not on the sideline fixing your gun. I'm amazed a field owner would ever have given you that opinion on a mag.

[a.w.e.s.o.m-o]

unbelievably reliable

I bought my first AGD gun in 1991, it was the minimag, I used it till the rt classic was released and have used the classic ever since, it performs flawlessly. Three weeks ago a friend want to try paintball out for the first time. I said waste money on a crappy rental I have a gun you can borrow in storage. That minimag had been sitting in a box in stored away for over ten years.
I pulled it out, didn't take it apart just poured oil into it, gas it up, handed it him and said good luck. The gun played all day with out a single problem, no leaks, no sticking bolt nothin. what other non AGD product can do that.

[KC]

E-Mags

lol. I dont even clean them anymore. Just wipe clean with a rag and oil before use.

I built a few Emags for friends that play maybe once a month... I dont know as they even oil theres!