milling a solenoid into a rail

[jolt00]

so i had this idea and i wanted to get some feed back about it. it's an on going project and i'm slow about doing everything lol.

can i mill a rail so that i could sit a solenoid right under the valve pin and have it fire the gun?
i'm not worried about a trigger frame being on it all i want is a the rail on the body (valve and stuff)

what kind of clearance is needed for the valve pin?

[stonersr26]

You forgot that the sear also holds the bolt back until it is fired, so in other words... No

[jolt00]

you know i feel stupid i can't believe i completely forgot about that. any ideas otherwise about just having a rail without having to have a grip frame for it to work.

[Coralis]

two solenoids wired together to actuate the on/off and hold/release the bolt.

[frans42000]

What you need is an EP mag.

Its pretty much like a pnuemag, except that you use one of these...

http://www.airsoldier.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AOS&Product_Code=SMC-SY113A-SG-PM3&Category_Code=SOLENOIDS

and wire it to this...

http://www.scenariodreams.com/productpages/universaltboard.htm

to actuate the ram...

http://www.airsoldier.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AOS&Product_Code=CLIPPARD-MPA-3&Category_Code=FITTINGS

[frans42000]

Wait, I just reread your second post.

You want a gripframeless mag?

You can do that, but you have to keep the rail with the sear in it. using shorter screws and some washers you can attach the rail without the frame.

To actuate it you still push the sear back.

Doc Nickle did a mod where he mounted a mag on top of a tippmann. The tippmann's cocking knob tripped the sear of the mag.

[Bonzai]

the question is what do u plan to build? and most of all what do you can/want to build for yourself. the components depending on how much money you would spent. if you have to buy anything ready to go it could cost alot. the more u work, the less u pay.
do u wanna build a bullpup or sentry?
here are some cheap, but good(infused) noids that u can use:
12V noid, pulling 4mm
12V noid, pushing 4mm
these noids are also aviable in 6V.
they have 13mm diameter so that they can be put in any frame.
i think shops like radioshag should have them to.

[mostpeople]

Bottom line, it has to have a sear

and therefore you have to have a ram actuate the sear, if you have an electro mag. Either electopneumatic, or electromechanical, it has to be a ram to actuate the sear. There is no real way to mill anything into the rail, because the ram has to be at a height below the rail to trip the sear. Maybe the board could be? who knows..

[hairyviking]

well... you would have to fab something to actuate the on off and release the bolt (which would still be like the sear...). rather than milling the rail a custom rail would probably have to be made to work off of something like a noid(to actuate a sear without a triggerframe)... the thing people forget is that all the action on a mag is already in place in the valve... you are pretty much limited with how you get your air source to fire a ball. there are plenty of creative ways to have something actuate a sear, but past that you dont have many options on getting a mag to fire.

i would personally use something similar to a pneumag... run a ram of some sort down a rail connected to the sear, feed it off of an lpr mounted wherever you want powered off your air source, also wherever you want... and the msv-2 mounted wherever you are planning to fire the gun from...

you will have a lot of options with something like this. if you want it to have modes or something, you can then use a pancake noid with a board from a spyder which would not be too difficult to mount either.

but, as someone else has stated, you might get better ideas if you say what exactly you have in mind... i am picturing something like a sentry.

[jolt00]

i'm wanting to build something along the lines of this but not exactly



i'm wanting to use classic mags because they are smaller design and i want to. so i'm just looking for a way i can just have the body and the rail and some "wires" or something run about a foot to the trigger

[vf-xx]

What you can do, is build a block to spoof the gripframe.

I did this to run some testing a while back. Size a block that matches the normal grip frame screws, and the solinoid.

[mostpeople]

turn the valve sideways, and use one solenoid to trip both sears so every time you fire you get a double shot out of each side. Or, use two solenoids per side to get a much more consistent volley.

[Bonzai]

how much guns do u wanna mount ? or a single marker?

i think the much greater problem will be to build a backpackfeed!

here is a video of a guy from utah named dave who has invented such a thing. but the big companys refused to buy and massproduce this nice idea.

i plan to build something like this for years. in the next time i want to purchase a warp for some tinkering. i have also a complete concept for a backpackloader witch funktions like the integrated loader from the ATS-AT. but i want try first some warpmods, cause thats MUCH simpler than building some kind of chainfeed. not mentioned the finetuning and some "teething troubles"...

if u want to build such a thing, the firing mechanism should be not the problem.

also think about how playable this realy is. the "annihilator" you showed above is more to showing off, rather then it has effect in a game.

ps: u feed the balls unsorted throu a big hose, like the guy from the "annihilator", and sort/feed it ongun with a aggitated loader of your choice. drawbacks are it doesnt look nice and u have to mount the storage higher then the marker. this was no option for me.
...allso there is no challenge and engeneering-fun

[jolt00]

i'm wanting 4 two on each side

i already have a good idea for the backpack feed and it's not going to be much of a problem.

i met that guy one year at d-day 07 i think (really nice guy) he was showing it off and trying to get people to promote it. it kept up with the fastest shooting guns out there nothing was over shooting it. and the only improvemnt i could see was running a remote line to the gun as well. i mean your already running the feed hose y not the air to. (but this is another story all together lol)

and i'm hopeing its going to be practial its going to be on a tank lol i'm not going to carry it aroud. do you know how heavy that it.

and since the mag feed is just big enough for one ball unlike the a-5 i was just going to use a small hose so there would be a stack of balls unstead of a tube of balls.

[Spider-TW]

and i'm hopeing its going to be practial its going to be on a tank lol i'm not going to carry it aroud. do you know how heavy that it.

oh yeah...on a swivel chair.

Depending on your side preference, a quad flak or quad browning setup. I know the brownings were electric, so a battery would not be out of place. Idk about the flakverling (sp?). I'm not sure when the quad browning came out though, I can only remember a reference to it in the Korean war.

The quad flak had the cool side panels and cone flash hiders. Four loudners for the flash hiders would be mean.