X Valve pin and E mode

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  • FA22RaptorF22
    AO-CT
    • Nov 2006
    • 593

    #16
    But what is the underlying factor that would let you short stroke in E mode?

    Do we need more pressure? IE more reactivity, so that the sear gets pushed back even if you try to fire when its trying to reset?

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    • Ando
      Magusmaximus
      • Jun 2009
      • 4144

      #17
      You shouldn't be getting any reactivity in E-mode. Hybrid is ok but not in E-Mode. If your sear is hitting your trigger in "True E-Mode" then you need to shorten it.

      Pressure has nothing to do with how fast you shoot in E-mode until you get into the higher BPS range and even then it's almost no factor.

      Originally posted by FA22RaptorF22
      Well im not sure, what difference does it make?

      The gun works, and works well, so I dont see why i would have to change orings.
      Apparently not if you you can't shoot over 8 BPS
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      • FA22RaptorF22
        AO-CT
        • Nov 2006
        • 593

        #18
        Originally posted by Ando
        You shouldn't be getting any reactivity in E-mode. Hybrid is ok but not in E-Mode. If your sear is hitting your trigger in "True E-Mode" then you need to shorten it.

        Pressure has nothing to do with how fast you shoot in E-mode until you get into the higher BPS range and even then it's almost no factor.



        Apparently not if you you can't shoot over 8 BPS
        Hold up here. This valve has hit 30+ and still does in R/T mech mode, while this is at 1500-2000psi.

        The problem is at lower pressures such as 800. it shoots, but just not fast.

        Also, trigger rod is exactly where i want it. You get reactivity in hybrid, and none in emode.

        Works fine as a mech...but 1 out of every 8 in emode is a short stroke. Batt is charged and plunger set to 3.005". I will experiement by turning the plunger in and out .005"
        Last edited by FA22RaptorF22; 01-06-2010, 11:25 AM.

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        • SSP REAPER
          FKC Founding Member

          • Aug 2008
          • 1831

          #19
          Originally posted by FA22RaptorF22
          Hold up here. This valve has hit 30+ and still does in R/T mech mode, while this is at 1500-2000psi.

          The problem is at lower pressures such as 800. it shoots, but just not fast.

          Also, trigger rod is exactly where i want it. You get reactivity in hybrid, and none in emode.

          Works fine as a mech...but 1 out of every 8 in emode is a short stroke. Batt is charged and plunger set to 3.005". I will experiement by turning the plunger in and out .005"
          lengthen your plunger .005" first and see if it helps. What kind of tank/reg are you using? Maybe the reg doesn't have a good enough flow rate...?

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          • FA22RaptorF22
            AO-CT
            • Nov 2006
            • 593

            #20
            Originally posted by SSP REAPER
            lengthen your plunger .005" first and see if it helps. What kind of tank/reg are you using? Maybe the reg doesn't have a good enough flow rate...?
            Works fine off a scuba...but i was using my friends preset 850 to test.

            I have a dynaflow coming in tomorrow. Will try that.

            Thanks

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            • Tao
              Registered User
              • Jan 2006
              • 834

              #21
              Originally posted by FA22RaptorF22
              Right, but mine does this at like 8 bps. Also, with xmod, to fix that, just mess with your dwell a little bit.

              Also, how long is your on/off pin, and input pressure TAO?
              pin is standard emag...havent measured but it is shorter than a .750 pin I ordered.

              I used the full range of pressure, from 700-1200 (I have a flatline)

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              • FA22RaptorF22
                AO-CT
                • Nov 2006
                • 593

                #22
                Originally posted by FA22RaptorF22
                Works fine off a scuba...but i was using my friends preset 850 to test.

                I have a dynaflow coming in tomorrow. Will try that.

                Thanks
                So, the dyna is in, and works great. It seems to max out at 1000 psi as the adjustment screw bottoms out. A bigger spring would get the pressure up higher right? How would one go about getting more pressure out of the thing?

                Also, it seems that this issue is solved with the steady input from the dyna.

                Will update futher as time goes on. Thanks.

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                • Tao
                  Registered User
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 834

                  #23
                  Originally posted by FA22RaptorF22
                  So, the dyna is in, and works great. It seems to max out at 1000 psi as the adjustment screw bottoms out. A bigger spring would get the pressure up higher right? How would one go about getting more pressure out of the thing?

                  Also, it seems that this issue is solved with the steady input from the dyna.

                  Will update futher as time goes on. Thanks.
                  Anymore pressure and you can blow a hose. Especially if you are using macro line!

                  The more pressure into your RT valve, the more your velocity will climb when shooting fast. I would leave it at 900.

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                  • Ando
                    Magusmaximus
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 4144

                    #24
                    Originally posted by FA22RaptorF22
                    So, the dyna is in, and works great. It seems to max out at 1000 psi as the adjustment screw bottoms out. A bigger spring would get the pressure up higher right? How would one go about getting more pressure out of the thing?

                    Also, it seems that this issue is solved with the steady input from the dyna.

                    Will update futher as time goes on. Thanks.
                    Could add washers
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                    • FA22RaptorF22
                      AO-CT
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 593

                      #25
                      Thanks all.

                      And Ando, I will try washers sometime.

                      And Tao, I use all SS line with quick disconnects with all parts rated to 3000 psi.

                      **Update.

                      The dynaflow is great and solved the inconsistancy issues that made me think that emode was broken. Emode is fine, and gun r/t's like crazy.

                      I shot 200rds through the X in 15 degree weather while it was snowing out. I had only one bolt stick as the lvl 10 was tuned for 70 degree weather. I shot about 20bps. Worked great. I had the dynaflow set at 900psi. Stupid halo doesn't go any faster.......der der.

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                      • maniacmechanic
                        PrestonCoPaintball
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 3453

                        #26
                        Originally posted by FA22RaptorF22
                        Works fine off a scuba...but i was using my friends preset 850 to test.
                        I have a dynaflow coming in tomorrow. Will try that.
                        Thanks
                        Now did the E mode work fine off the scuba also ?
                        When using the 850 preset , did either or both modes work correctly ??

                        Originally posted by FA22RaptorF22
                        **Update.

                        The dynaflow is great and solved the inconsistancy issues that made me think that emode was broken. Emode is fine, and gun r/t's like crazy.

                        I shot 200rds through the X in 15 degree weather while it was snowing out. I had only one bolt stick as the lvl 10 was tuned for 70 degree weather. I shot about 20bps. Worked great. I had the dynaflow set at 900psi. Stupid halo doesn't go any faster.......der der.
                        and now with the Dyna all is well , thats good

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                        • FA22RaptorF22
                          AO-CT
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 593

                          #27
                          Originally posted by maniacmechanic
                          Now did the E mode work fine off the scuba also ?
                          When using the 850 preset , did either or both modes work correctly ??



                          and now with the Dyna all is well , thats good

                          The scuba worked fine. Increased pressure made the pin harder to trip for the noid...but otherwise it worked fine in e or m mode.

                          The problem here guys, that unbenouced to me, the preset reg was failing....and the pressure was dropping in the reg til the point where the reg o ring failed and pressure bleed off in the preset kicked in. So by that time the dyna came in so all was good there, and I spend a day getting the preset apart to fix that.

                          time baby

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                          • maniacmechanic
                            PrestonCoPaintball
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 3453

                            #28
                            so a bad tank reg was making you pull your hair out , i'll remember this one !!

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