So, I read somewhere while poking around that E-mags and ULE Triggers don't go well together. Any chance someone could explain why, I snooped around a bit but diddn't see a good answer. Seems to me that the gun should cycle and work just as well with a ULT assembley as any other on/off.
-
-
The reduced return force of the ULT on-off pin is not enough to adequately move the large mass of the sear and the solenoid assembly. If it was just the sear assembly it would be fine, but the added mass of the solenoid plunger makes it unreliable.Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts. -
I didn't have any issues with mine. I had to adj the plunger a little to compensate for the length of the ULT (which was a pain in the ***) but besides that it works great and I'm able to hit 20 BPS. Never tried it over that, don't want to take the risk of toasting my board or anything else.Comment
-
Alrighty, so what I'm hearing is that the 15g's or whatever coming down from the on/off does not necessarially supply enough weight to the sear to re-activate the catch. And, of course you might have to re-adjust for size of the plunger for the on/off for timing issues.
Out of curiosity has anyone attempted to convieniently place a small spring to assist or lighten the plunger? I would imagine since e/xmags have been around for years someone would have tried... Right?Comment
-
If you do that, then the solenoid has to pull against the extra spring force which is the same as running a standard retro on-off setup. Actually its worst. You would have to put about 8lbs of force acting on the sear to add the return force lost by the ULT. That would equate to about 9lbs of force required to activate the on-off by the solenoid. The emag on-off requires only 4 lbs. The 9lb force won't activate properly by the solenoid. Now, the 9lbs is just a guess. Off the top of my head, I can't remember the exact diameter of the top of the ULT pin to do a proper calculation.
So, the best way for consistent operation is to use a retro/emag on-off assembly. There have been guys who have used the ULTs as mentioned. If you use it, make sure it is tuned to the max or you could have consistency issues.Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.Comment
-
But it seems to me you would only have to augment the ULT just enough. What I was thinking was something like a pen spring or a trigger spring. No dice?Comment
-
not to thread jack but why would you want a ULT in a Emag. Emode is the lightest trigger pull you could ask for and the rt/emag on/off is not that horrible to use.
Shot my emag in M-mode last weekend and still had a blast with it.
Or set your bps lower in Emode if you don't want to be shooting 20+bps...
The only reason to use a ULT is so you can use a weaker Solenoid which would let you use a smaller battery (even a 9v)?
I've pondered this many times, even talked with the manufacture of the solenoid and they said that you have to use this exact one with that exact battery because of the force required to fire the gun. But if the force was lowered like the ULT doe's you wouldn't need such a large (in force) solenoid and as such less Volts required to activate it. Not sure what the shot count would be...
Again sorry if its too much of a thread jacking
Comment
-
Well I wasn't worried about the E part with the ULT Trigger, I was more thinking of it's applications in mechanical mode. Actually, I'd pondered the applications to the ULT in a pneumag as well.Comment
-
Same reason why I tuned my lowers to a ULT. Haven't had any problems with it so far. BE can attest to it as well. He and I swapped out markers during the "Last Push" at Top Gun.Originally posted by DrixLast edited by Ando; 02-22-2010, 09:17 PM.Comment
-
Your bang on there. You could use a significantly smaller solenoid with the ULT and things will work using a lot less power.Originally posted by kcombs9Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.Comment
Comment