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  • OPBN
    OldPBNoob

    • Sep 2008
    • 5240

    #16
    I guess when I look at this, I am still a bit lost. I didnt realize the UTB was capable of EP? Pardon my ignorance, but what is used to power the ram?
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    • Frizzle Fry
      AO Micromag Guy
      • Mar 2009
      • 3280

      #17
      Originally posted by OPBN
      I guess when I look at this, I am still a bit lost. I didnt realize the UTB was capable of EP? Pardon my ignorance, but what is used to power the ram?
      Air, run through the solenoid from the LPR.

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      • OPBN
        OldPBNoob

        • Sep 2008
        • 5240

        #18
        Originally posted by Frizzle Fry
        Air, run through the solenoid from the LPR.
        Ok, so something like the SMC S070-SDG-32? The microswitch sends the signal to the UTB which sends a signal to the solenoid who's function is to control the flow between the LPR and the ram? In a non-Pneu the board just operates an electronically activated ram?
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        • sTaLa
          Registered User
          • Mar 2006
          • 333

          #19
          Originally posted by OPBN
          Ok, so something like the SMC S070-SDG-32? The microswitch sends the signal to the UTB which sends a signal to the solenoid who's function is to control the flow between the LPR and the ram? In a non-Pneu the board just operates an electronically activated ram?
          Yes exactly! Here's a scheme:

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          • OPBN
            OldPBNoob

            • Sep 2008
            • 5240

            #20
            Ok, now I get it. Thanks. Nice set up sTaLa.
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            • Ando
              Magusmaximus
              • Jun 2009
              • 4144

              #21
              Anyone know the brand or name of the drop on that marker?
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              • GRAYGHOST
                Registered User
                • Dec 2009
                • 303

                #22
                drop forward

                Originally posted by Ando
                Anyone know the brand or name of the drop on that marker?
                it is a wgp with out the wgp on/off

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                • xero28
                  Registered Useless
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 1102

                  #23
                  Very nice job, first I've seen an EP setup with a CF frame. I'd love to see that setup on a classic mag, steel body, classic valve...now that would be the ultimate sleeper.

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                  • p8ntbal4me
                    No more UTBs!
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 2560

                    #24
                    Originally posted by OPBN
                    I guess when I look at this, I am still a bit lost. I didnt realize the UTB was capable of EP? Pardon my ignorance, but what is used to power the ram?
                    All the UTBs (including the one you have in your VER frame) can run large cylinder type solenoids (the one in the VER) and EP types.

                    In the event you need to use BOTH types at the same time in a marker such as a E-Cocker or a Shoebox shocker, all thats needed is a change in the code on the UTB.
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                    • Frizzle Fry
                      AO Micromag Guy
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 3280

                      #25
                      Originally posted by OPBN
                      Ok, so something like the SMC S070-SDG-32? The microswitch sends the signal to the UTB which sends a signal to the solenoid who's function is to control the flow between the LPR and the ram? In a non-Pneu the board just operates an electronically activated ram?
                      Pretty much.

                      In an ELCD mag a clapper 'noid hits the sear (pinless) and pushes it back, in a Spydermag a clapper noid hits a sear that hooks and pulls the automag sear (modified) down, and in an Emag a push-pull noid pulls the sear back and down. Those are the strictly electronic ones.

                      With a mechanical/pneumatic mag, you manually trigger a 3-way (think autococker) which controls the flow of air from an LPR to a pneumatic ram that strikes the sear. This is closer in function to an autococker 3-way, triggering the firing process in a similar way to an ELCD mag (imagine the LPR as a battery, the 3-way as a microswitch, and the ram as a clapper noid).

                      In this situation he's got a board controlling the fire rate and dwell, a microswitch triggering each shot, a small 3-way solenoid controlling air flow from an LPR, and a ram striking the sear..

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                      • ghost271
                        Registered User
                        • Jun 2001
                        • 183

                        #26
                        That is amazing ! Great work. Nobody on the field would have any idea it wasn't a regular mag.
                        If you can't join em, shoot em !

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                        • Spider-TW
                          U R techno-literate!

                          • Oct 2006
                          • 3554

                          #27
                          Excellent use of a warp feed (EP batteries).

                          You might make up the missing pin in your grips (I have at least one set missing a pin). It should help reinforce the grips and frame.

                          That was an RT frame?

                          I'm saving that frame installation picture.

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                          • sTaLa
                            Registered User
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 333

                            #28
                            Originally posted by ghost271
                            That is amazing ! Great work. Nobody on the field would have any idea it wasn't a regular mag.
                            Tanks! I never really liked two fingers triggers, and I love those wood grips! I knew I wanted one the moment I held one! Back in the days where SP was a good barrel company...

                            Originally posted by Spider-TW
                            You might make up the missing pin in your grips (I have at least one set missing a pin). It should help reinforce the grips and frame.
                            I really don't see how I could make on up , it is pretty tight in there. But since there are two pins integrated in the wood grip itself, I don't really think it will move.

                            Originally posted by Spider-TW
                            That was an RT frame?
                            It was a CF frame I bought with my first classic mag. But all the CF frame are the same right?

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                            • Spider-TW
                              U R techno-literate!

                              • Oct 2006
                              • 3554

                              #29
                              I thought you were missing one of the two pins that come with the grips, like mine. Yours must be in your other grip panel. I can't tell that my upper one is missing on one of my sets because they fit so well. I should cut a piece of music wire to replace it.

                              Your frame looks like it has a large rear screw hole, like it was made for an RT banjo bolt. Do you have a thicker bushing that goes in there, or maybe my eye-ball calibration is off?

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                              • sTaLa
                                Registered User
                                • Mar 2006
                                • 333

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Spider-TW
                                I thought you were missing one of the two pins that come with the grips, like mine. Yours must be in your other grip panel. I can't tell that my upper one is missing on one of my sets because they fit so well. I should cut a piece of music wire to replace it.
                                Ok I get it now. Yes the other pin is in the other panel.

                                Originally posted by Spider-TW
                                Your frame looks like it has a large rear screw hole, like it was made for an RT banjo bolt. Do you have a thicker bushing that goes in there, or maybe my eye-ball calibration is off?
                                Yep, you're right. I bought 3 CF frames and they were all the same: they all uses a bigger bushing. You're eye ball calibration is just fine!

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