Short stroke?

[99ShockerTurbo]

I just got my 1st mag... ive never shot one before and had another question about the trigger oppertion.

Is it normal if you do not make a full pull of the trigger to engage the pin.. the gun will sputter and not shoot correctly??

[Boltaction]

classic valves will get shootdown during fast shooting.

Gas it up. Then shoot it but hold the trigger all the way back and see what happens, you may need a new on/off o-ring.

-SW

[99ShockerTurbo]

classic valves will get shootdown during fast shooting.

Gas it up. Then shoot it but hold the trigger all the way back and see what happens, you may need a new on/off o-ring.

-SW

nothing happens.. it shoots fine

its just if you try to shoot fast and dont make a full clean pull...
its like the pin slips and the valve gets stuck..

[Stingy Mcdingy]

You cant really short stroke a mag very easily. If that pin is sticking than make sure the sear pin that touches the back of the trigger is screwed out far enough. If its too short than it won't be enough to activate the valve.

You may also want to make sure the valve is well lubed. If the valve itself is dry than you can also have it stick. Remove the valve from the rail and put some Autolube inside the small hole on the bottom. Take a few shots after you put a couple drops in there and if that's the problem it'll clear itself up.

[Ando]

Is it normal if you do not make a full pull of the trigger to engage the pin.. the gun will sputter and not shoot correctly??

If your use to electro's, I feel for ya

Yes it's normal. Mags have a learning curve, practice...practice...practice and you'll get it down. You need to fully pull and release the trigger. If you don't, it will chuff...chuff...chuff all day long. That's what we call short stroking. Once you get the pull down you'll be able to hit 8-10 shots a second fully mech.

[99ShockerTurbo]

If your use to electro's, I feel for ya

Yes it's normal. Mags have a learning curve, practice...practice...practice and you'll get it down. You need to fully pull and release the trigger. If you don't, it will chuff...chuff...chuff all day long. That's what we call short stroking. Once you get the pull down you'll be able to hit 8-10 shots a second fully mech.

I dont think anything is wrong with the gun i think its me lol

i shoot a etek3 and a shocker so im not used to this...
I have too many guns and I just bought another shocker so i listed my mag :-(

its nice... hope it finds a good home

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=257993

[Silverback]

I dont think anything is wrong with the gun i think its me lol

i shoot a etek3 and a shocker so im not used to this...
I have too many guns and I just bought another shocker so i listed my mag :-(

its nice... hope it finds a good home

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=257993

There is nothing wrong with you....LOL! Your just not use to the Automag trigger. It does require a little practice in pulling the trigger fully. If you are use to an electrnic trigger it is WAY DIFFERENT.

Once you get it down and develop the muscle memory, you will be able to switch back and forth with no problem.

[Boltaction]

At least play a few games with it before you decide to send it off. I rather like the anno on this gun, nice.

-SW

[athomas]

Is it normal if you do not make a full pull of the trigger to engage the pin.. the gun will sputter and not shoot correctly??

If you make a trigger pull that is far enough for the sear to release the bolt, it should shoot correctly every time. If you do not pull far enough, then the mag will not shoot at all.

If it sputters on a pull that is barely far enough to fire the gun, then perhaps the on-off top oring is leaking.

The problems with short stroking on a mag, is when you don't fully release the trigger after a shot. The mag requires that the trigger be forward to allow the on-off pin to open far enough so that the air can flow freely into the front chamber. If the trigger is not released far enough or is pulled too soon after it is released, then the chamber does not fully charge with air. When this happens, the shot could sputter due to low pressure or not shoot at all if the pressure is not high enough to overcome the spring force in a level 10 bolt system.

[Hobbez]

The problems with short stroking on a mag, is when you don't fully release the trigger after a shot. The mag requires that the trigger be forward to allow the on-off pin to open far enough so that the air can flow freely into the front chamber. If the trigger is not released far enough or is pulled too soon after it is released, then the chamber does not fully charge with air. .

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This. Truth.

From my personal experience, double triggers on a classic mag can make short stroking even easier. Just like your first time pulling the trigger on a classic old autococker, you just need to relearn how to pull the trigger.

[athomas]

From my personal experience, double triggers on a classic mag can make short stroking even easier. Just like your first time pulling the trigger on a classic old autococker, you just need to relearn how to pull the trigger.

Definately. Double triggers give the mechanical advantage to your fingers rather than the return force of the valve. The longer pull of the bottom portion of the trigger makes it harder to fully release and the lighter pull force makes it easier to pull the next shot faster.

[99ShockerTurbo]

the top of the sear looks pretty worn too so i was thininking this may have something to do with is

[athomas]

If the top of the sear is worn, the sear can rotate forward a tiny bit farther than it should before the bolt is reset. This is probably causing the on-off pin to open too soon and is interfering with the return of the bolt.

[Coralis]

I see you have a two finger benchmark frame on that marker. I had all sorts of problems short stroking with the same type of frame so much so that I nearly threw mag in the trash. Once I put a hyperframe on mine all those problems went away.

[99ShockerTurbo]

NEW issue

Where did you find a hyper frame?

Now its not really firing much at all it seems like the bolt wasnt catching and it was firing on its own.. almost like a responsive trigger... the bolt was the sticking in the back position and just leaking..

could this be because of the worn sear?