Pneumatic questions

[Guapo]

What kind of trigger improvements are you going to realize with a pneumatic set up vs just a ULE Trigger? I'm using the latter and the trigger pull is remarkably light. Does a pneumatic set up make it even lighter? Is it designed to aid in ramping? Are there any other benefits?

Thanks!

[rawbutter]

What kind of trigger improvements are you going to realize with a pneumatic set up vs just a ULE Trigger? I'm using the latter and the trigger pull is remarkably light. Does a pneumatic set up make it even lighter? Is it designed to aid in ramping? Are there any other benefits?

Thanks!

A well-built pneumatic trigger can be feather-light.... almost electronic. Easily walkable. You can't "ramp" it, since it's purely mechanical.

It's really more of a novelty than anything else. Something unique. Pneumatic triggers aren't quite as light or fast or easy to walk as electric triggers, but.... I don't know. They're pure mechanical. No batteries... no on/off switch. It's a thing of beauty.

I have one, if you can't tell. :-) And I have a Viking.... and I've played with hyperframes and Mini's and G3s and various other electros, but I keep coming back to the pneumag for some reason.

[Guapo]

Does the pneu-system work better with the ULT? Seems like it would be redundant to have both if you can set the pneu to as light as you want.

[renie]

Does the pneu-system work better with the ULT? Seems like it would be redundant to have both if you can set the pneu to as light as you want.

i found with the ULT you dont need as much psi for the rammer to activate the sear so less air hungry

[Frizzle Fry]

so less air hungry

Still a mag though.

[renie]

Still a mag though.

So True, but save where u can

[rawbutter]

Does the pneu-system work better with the ULT? Seems like it would be redundant to have both if you can set the pneu to as light as you want.

Most of the "experts" recommend an RT on/off, actually. The faster recharge helps the pneumatics recharge quicker (which means faster bps and less coughing), and the air saved is negligible. When you're setting everything up, too, the RT on/off is nicer because that's one less variable in the equation (as opposed to the ULT, which needs tuning).

But... a ULT does work perfectly fine too. That's what I have in mine. I did have to add a return spring, though (I jammed an old pen spring in there). Otherwise the trigger doesn't bounce back quickly enough. An RT on/off would have prevented that little problem.

[Frizzle Fry]

So True, but save where u can

Until Tom makes a motorized cart to carry my scuba tank behind me.

...I'm picturing R2D2.

[renie]

I used a ULT with 1 shim, with a clippard ram it worked a charm

[Spider-TW]

The stroke of a ULT trigger is the same length as the RT on/off, just lighter. You still feel the let-off when the sear drops and a little RT kick after.

The pneu trigger is about the same all the way through and has little more than the tension you build into it. The stroke can be down to about 1mm at the bottom of a long trigger. Hitting the rear trigger stop and feeling the shot from the marker is your feedback.

If you use a ULT in a pneu setup, you have to have a good LPR to take advantage of it. Some LPRs don't like to have 850 psi input and 20 psi out.

Personally, I like the ULT with a single trigger frame.

[inmylife2415]

I personally like the rt on off..but like said before both will work

here is one of my pneumags... show you how quick a pneumag can be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtHwM2Srgwc&context=C36dd21aADOEgsToPDskKeLegi-WnHxYOmpf5O97qK

[Loneassassin]

I like my Pneumag for the fact that it is a hellaciously quick gun -- and requires no batteries. (Other than the batteries in your force-feed loader; you'll need it!)

I run a ULT in mine, simply because that's what my gun came with and the one RT on/off I tried "locked up" on me, so I went back to the ULT. I use 3 shims in my ULT.

As others have said, I'd recommend a nice LPR (not a WGP Tickler). I was never able to achieve reliability with a Tickler; when my tank was full the Tickler could not handle the high input pressure required for the gun to work - it would lock up and the gun wouldn't fire at all. I'd recommend a Palmer's LPR, I haven't had any issues with mine; and they're designed for 1000+ psi. You wiill need a tank that outputs at a confirmed 800psi minimum - otherwise you start running into recharge issues and "chuffing."

Beyond that, not all Hpa regs are equal, even if they output at the same pressure. My Myth hpa reg output at around 850psi and just barely worked reliably with 4 shims in my ULT. When I swapped it out for a Crossfire reg my pneumag RT'd at around 20bps. So I took out one of the ULT shims and it's a little more controllable now.

If I turn my LPR down it will still RT because the sear is bouncing off the piston. If I turn it back up it's back to a true, walkable semi. It is no slower than my E-cocker when walking the trigger. In fact, I almost think I can walk my Pneumag faster than an electro. I finally got it fully dialed-in at the end of this season and got it going RIDICULOUSLY fast for a semi, with no chops, stutters or anything. Can't wait for next season...