smart mag and brittle paint

[BEEFYSAUSAGE]

ok has anyone here who owns a smart mag used brittle paint??
i know that the valve recharges slower and the bolt moves slower(uses lower operating pressure) so is the pressure still the same to the ball?
shouldn`t the pressure to the ball be lower?
i am not talking abought the smartbox mod done on mags but the internal mod..(the smartbox seems a bad way to do what they were acheiving)
PLEASE ONLY PEOPLE WHO KNOW OR HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE PLEASE POST!!
tom if you read this is this valve simuler to the one you were talking abought ie: LOW PRESSURE??
any help much appreciated,
BEEFY.

[Butterfingers]

Not enough to be significant, If my mem'ry serves me correctly, the box dropped the chamber pressure 50 psi from 400 so that the mag ran at 350psi. Big whoop. The mod was 100 percent hype and caused more problems that it "said" it would solve.

Ball breakage is not because of pressure.

The stock automag has a lower behind the ball pressure than any of smart parts' guns. "60 psi at the ball" according to TK.

LP 10 percent reality 100 percent hype.

Yes I was around when the smart mag was being sold, not extensive expereience but enough to know it sucked It would actually increase chops because of the blowback it produced.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26842

Read up LP has no real advantage other than sucking your wallet dry.

[BEEFYSAUSAGE]

well

ok i must have got a good one cause i rarely have chops
as i 1 in 2000 or more(and i dont have the new feed plug)
so to me it sounds like the low pressure debate 10% fact 90% hype?....i dont mean to flame here(butterfingers)but has any one tested these??

[BEEFYSAUSAGE]

well

ok i must have got a good one cause i rarely have chops
as i 1 in 2000 or more(and i dont have the new feed plug)
so to me it sounds like the low pressure debate 10% fact 90% hype?....i dont mean to flame here(butterfingers)but has any one tested these??(oh i dont mean the damn smart box mod i mean the internal one)

[LaW]

I've owned a smart mag. Obviously slower recharge rate then the standard AIR valve tested with a hyperframe triggreframe. The smart mag was unable to keep up with my rof and the AIR valve had no problems. There was no difference between the two in gas consumption.. I got pretty much the same number of shots per tank from each. Ball breakage wasnt' an issue because I had never broken a ball with either valve (using foamie bolt) only breaks I had were tip of the barrel breaks from bad paint.

[PyRo]

IT might go the tinyest bit easier on paint. Maybie youll break 1 less ball of ever 30,000 or so. Not worth it.

[BEEFYSAUSAGE]

hey law

when u say rate of fire how fast ya talking about??

[Cha0tic]

the rate of fire is the same. the smart mag will start to get shootdown at a lower bps than a standard mag valve. i think the standard valve gets 12-13bps before shootdown.

[LaW]

I'm saying the recharge rate is a lot lower. With the AIR valve I'm not sure but you can get like 11bps or something like that for the smart valve i'd say about 9bps... I just had a lot of shoot down with the smart valve then i did with the AIR valve.

[LaW]

Yeah basically what chaotic said. I was in the process of typing when he answered

[Butterfingers]

A wise man once said 34 percent of statistics are made up.

Those are not true figures but just a twist of language to get the point across.

The real figures and physics behind low pressure are likely to debunk low pressure entirely.

Low pressure was started because back in the day of the Penue Ventures shocker (later became the smart parts shocker) there werent any solnoids that could handle high pressure. They HAD to use low pressure. So they were smart and started making up things that had nothing to do with low pressure to sell guns.

Years down the line low pressure became a big selling point. Eventhough its advanatges were unproven. We still hear the same bulldink today.

The only real advantage to low pressure is perhaps quietness and a modest ball acceleration curve which can be achieved to the same effect with high pressure systems.

[BEEFYSAUSAGE]

ok i know abought the low pressure thing and i dont buy into the theory of low pressure is god like..
i was wondering abought bolt pressure(speed)on the ball making the marker more useable on brittle paint??
i know it would have less bolt open time but would it help at all.....(oh and i can only shoot at 7 bps on a good day
any faster i have to fan the trigger with my other hand)

[Butterfingers]

I dont think it would lower the bolt speed enough to be significant.

It might help but thats just speculation.

[BEEFYSAUSAGE]

thanks butterfingers

ok anyone else???TOM ,BLACK ,CPHILIP, ect???

[BEEFYSAUSAGE]

up

7up ...cmon guys i need more info