Level 10 Carrier/O Ring issue

[Stealthpanda]

I looked breifly, but my kit happened to come with a size 0 carrier. No dots, no lines. Still trouble shooting my gun with the original size 1 carrier that I installed. (Not looking hard enough at the carrier) Did notice a slight, very very slight leak down the barrel after I pull the trigger, and hold it down. Bolt doesnt recock sometimes after the squeegee test, but I am also addressing the spring (used gold first) and shims issue. Going over the warpig topic for the level ten, starting with the carrier first. May answer all my questions shortly heh.
Thanks,
Jason

[Laku]

Nowadays the largest carrier they come with is 1.5, but you can still get larger from Tuna. Forget the shims, you shouldn't need any.

[Stealthpanda]

Getting a slight leak with the same PT oring from my 1 carrier, when holding down the trigger, when I tried to use the 1.5 carrier. No recocking issue, though. Moving down (technically back) to the 1 carrier again, as the 1.5 carrier (without shims) only made what problem I had worse.

Also, a slight leak after a few fires, and letting the trigger reset. I think this was mentioned as the on/off oring? Mine is sort of darker than normal, assuming its the same oring that has been in the gun for a long time.

[Laku]

Here's lvl - 10 tuning quide (athoma's post) that we currently use.

[Stealthpanda]

Is it common to use 0 shims/ a 0.5 carrier? I am at size 1 now, 0 shims, and it will do the leak-for-a-second after a few shots thing, as mentioned in the athoma post in that guide you linked.

[Stealthpanda]

The only reason this is confusing at all is :
The 0.5 carrier did not move very freely on the end of the bolt, but didn't leak at all upon trigger pull, and pull and hold. Squeegee test: it wont recock when it gets stuck.
The 1 carrier moves freely on the end of the bolt, doesnt leak after a trigger pull, but leaks for about 1-2 seconds after a trigger pull and hold. Squeegee test: it will recock itself most times after it gets stuck.
I was under the impression that only shims affected the recock point after an obstruction/ball halfway in the breach.

[Laku]

The only reason this is confusing at all is :
The 0.5 carrier did not move very freely on the end of the bolt, but didn't leak at all upon trigger pull, and pull and hold. Squeegee test: it wont recock when it gets stuck.
The 1 carrier moves freely on the end of the bolt, doesnt leak after a trigger pull, but leaks for about 1-2 seconds after a trigger pull and hold. Squeegee test: it will recock itself most times after it gets stuck.
I was under the impression that only shims affected the recock point after an obstruction/ball halfway in the breach.

It sounds like your 1.0 carrier is just a tad too small.

What you might also want to check is that your field strip screw isn't too tight. When fully tightened try to open it back about half a turn or little more and see if that helps at all. Too tight field strip screw might on some occasion make the bolt stick and give you a false reading on how the lvl-10 carrier is behaving.

I'ts pretty common to not have to use any shims with any of the carriers.

[need4reebs]

if its a new kit your carrier o-ring needs to be broken in. wat on/off are you using? and what valve are you using? wat set up are you using?

[Stealthpanda]

Classic valve, everything is stock. I have changed out every o ring in the on/off, including the stubborn one that sits at the bottom (technically the top) that doesnt like to come out when you remove the on/off itself. Not using co2.

EDIT: Noticed once I had around 1000psi in my tank, I had more issues. Yeah, out of air. Forgot the mag operated at 850 psi? So anything lower than 1000psi wont cut it. At least thats what it feels like happened. Going to fill the tank, and rage later. Thank you all for the help now.

[need4reebs]

Classic valve, everything is stock. I have changed out every o ring in the on/off, including the stubborn one that sits at the bottom (technically the top) that doesnt like to come out when you remove the on/off itself. Not using co2.

EDIT: Noticed once I had around 1000psi in my tank, I had more issues. Yeah, out of air. Forgot the mag operated at 850 psi? So anything lower than 1000psi wont cut it. At least thats what it feels like happened. Going to fill the tank, and rage later. Thank you all for the help now.

haha..oooops!!! yeah most of tha time its something easy like that!!!

my favorite is "my Mag wont shoot, i just filled tha tank but it still wont shoot" then they realize the forgot to turn tha lil knob on their on/off asa to air up their mag..haha

[Stealthpanda]

I am understanding more now, the carrier really means nothing. It is making up for the differences in o ring size, to such a small degree? Which is why I saw people say if you couldn't get it perfect, move to a new o ring, and start the process over again.

[Stealthpanda]

I have also thought about something, but this might be fixed with a carrier/o ring swap... Can that 1-2 second leak after you hold the trigger in, be lived with? I realize its probably killing gas efficiency on a gun that isn't really praised for its efficiency in the first place... OR will it be corrected with the perfect carrier/o ring fit?

[athomas]

The leak is usually due to the bolt stem vent hole being really close to the sealing edge of the oring. It won't cause any efficiency issues during normal operation. The oring vent hole being really close to the sealing edge of the oring can cause you to mistakenly use a carrier size that is too tight for your setup. This may cause the occasional bolt stick issue. When the bolt stem vent hole is really close to the sealing edge of the oring and no shims are installed, it is usually an indication that the sear is worn causing the bolt to sit farther forward than it normally would. I would check your sear for wear at the tip.

[Stealthpanda]

These 2 pictures alone make me think the sear is fine. I don't want to be ignorant, and its a shame I am probably asking questions that have been asked since its release 10+ years, but I feel the oring I had couldnt find a nice home in carrier 1, or 0.5. Shrug, i'll find out when I get a refill Tuesday. I am perfectly fine playing with it as it was, if its only leaking when I hold the trigger in, as this isnt an issue in normal operation, as you mentioned athomas. Again, thank you all for the help, and I will delve deeper into the warpig article, as well as the various information pointed out in your post above, and the AO sticky I began reading.

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[athomas]

The sear looks fine but its hard to tell with the resolution of the pictures. When looking at the tip where it catches the bolt, if there is a tiny indentation (the surface is no longer perfectly flat) where it catches the bolt, then the hard surface is worn through and it is time to replace the sear. It doesn't take much once the hard surface is worn through.

How old is your mag? There may be enough wear on the sear and sear pin combination.

Make sure you snap the sear pin securely in place in the rail. Check that the rail bushing is in place.