I have an xvalve I desperately want to shoot ropes

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  • brassmag
    Registered User
    • Sep 2013
    • 42

    #16
    I wan a steady stream so I can sight in my apex barrel..
    What I want is to know rhe best way to adjust it so I can get it to shoot the way I want it to.

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    • Patron God of Pirates
      ~pgop1.0
      • Apr 2002
      • 1196

      #17
      Originally posted by brassmag
      I want to adjust it so if its RTing too fast I can tune it down. Im a pump guy... I cant waste that much paint.
      But I do want a solid 10bps but 15 or 20 25 is alot.
      Sounds like a ULT and some trigger practice is all you need.

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      • brassmag
        Registered User
        • Sep 2013
        • 42

        #18
        I like responsive trigger. I like a heavy gun too. I have cockers I can finger **** all day, what I want is a RT machine gun.... but I want my mag with my .45 frame cuz thats how I like it. Along side a warp feed And an apex...

        And what I want to know is whats the best adjustable inline reg that is sleeker than airamerica..

        I also need a .45 inteli grip frame...

        Where is the BST section?

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        • Freedy500
          Loner-Team Wick3d
          • Feb 2012
          • 400

          #19
          Originally posted by OPBN
          Then let go of the trigger.
          Hahaha. That was so simple and yet made my day. Lol

          And brassmag I would probably get a slightly below 1000 psi input pressure if you want to get a solid 10-15 BPS but you don't want it all the time. If you can have a solid 900-950 psi (the more the better though) and still get a good RT effect, however it may be weaker or more difficult, but it all depends on the valve and how well you know the trigger, if you learn the trigger well and become accustomed to it, then you will be able to keep it sustained for a while, but not to long where it eats your whole hopper. Just see if you can find a decent adjustable reg and go to your local field that free or all day air, buy the air, and just learn the trigger. If its to hard then turn it up 25 or so psi and if its to fast then vice versa.

          You must understand though we don't have an equation of X(PSI) divided by Y=Aprox. BPS, these are mechanical and can't be tuned or programmed to a specific BPS, it's left up to you. But try and follow what i posted above along with Zak Vetters stuff and you should get it.

          As for the reg itself, I have no clue, although I do see good adjustable regs in the BST from time to time. Post in the WTB forum, you may have better luck their.
          My feedback: http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...eedback-Thread

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          • OPBN
            OldPBNoob

            • Sep 2008
            • 5240

            #20
            In all seriousness I have never seen a setup where someone used an adjustable inline reg to regulate BPS. The best way to control it is by practicing. Set it up so that it is capable of a higher rod than you need and just learn to control it. I personally found trigger stops to be helpful in controlling ROF.

            If you still insist on an inline reg your best, and possibly only, option is going to be a Palmers. You will need something with a fast recharge rate and capable of 950+ psi output. There aren't a lot if options in that category.
            My AO Feedback

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            • athomas
              Of course it works-its AGD
              • Jan 2002
              • 8039

              #21
              An inline reg will add a third regulator to the air line. Each regulator reduces the air flow a bit. One of the requirements for a sustainable reactive trigger is air flow, so an additional regulator will reduce the ability to be reactive. Each regulator reduces the high volume usable air pressure by about 200psi. So, even if you have a 1100psi tank output, you will only have about 900psi of usable pressure which is only slightly higher than a regular non-adjustable tank.

              The best way to help make your trigger controllable and reactive would be to purchase a 0.740" on-off pin which is 0.010" shorter than a standard 0.750" pin. Install the quad emag oring instead of the urethane oring for the small top on-off oring. This quad buna oring has less friction than the urethane oring but has a lower sealing point which is why you need the shorter on-off pin. If you want to adjust the amount of reactivity, add a shim or two between the on-off halves to simulate an even shorter pin.

              A short gold bolt spring will reduce your chamber pressure used when shooting at the desired velocity. This will increase the pressure differential between the valve input and the chamber and enhance the reactive effect.
              Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.

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              • brassmag
                Registered User
                • Sep 2013
                • 42

                #22
                Originally posted by athomas
                An inline reg will add a third regulator to the air line. Each regulator reduces the air flow a bit. One of the requirements for a sustainable reactive trigger is air flow, so an additional regulator will reduce the ability to be reactive. Each regulator reduces the high volume usable air pressure by about 200psi. So, even if you have a 1100psi tank output, you will only have about 900psi of usable pressure which is only slightly higher than a regular non-adjustable tank.

                The best way to help make your trigger controllable and reactive would be to purchase a 0.740" on-off pin which is 0.010" shorter than a standard 0.750" pin. Install the quad emag oring instead of the urethane oring for the small top on-off oring. This quad buna oring has less friction than the urethane oring but has a lower sealing point which is why you need the shorter on-off pin. If you want to adjust the amount of reactivity, add a shim or two between the on-off halves to simulate an even shorter pin.

                A short gold bolt spring will reduce your chamber pressure used when shooting at the desired velocity. This will increase the pressure differential between the valve input and the chamber and enhance the reactive effect.


                Thank you! That is the kind of information I can use.

                I need do find that quad oring. Can I get one from someone on this forum?

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                • Laku
                  Registered User

                  • Nov 2012
                  • 940

                  #23
                  Originally posted by brassmag
                  Thank you! That is the kind of information I can use.

                  I need do find that quad oring. Can I get one from someone on this forum?
                  Tuna is your friend. Best way to order is to email him directly [email protected].

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