Emag valve on ULE body

[1985phenom]

I purchased an Emag valve and was looking to swap the classic valve in my current marker out. I would in affect be using the emag valve as an ReTro valve (i.e. no batteries). In order to make the emag valve compatible, would I only need to swap the classic mag on/off pin for the emag on/off? I have looked around and this seems to be the correct course of action but I was just making sure. Thank you.

[going_home]

I purchased an Emag valve and was looking to swap the classic valve in my current marker out. I would in affect be using the emag valve as an ReTro valve (i.e. no batteries). In order to make the emag valve compatible, would I only need to swap the classic mag on/off pin for the emag on/off? I have looked around and this seems to be the correct course of action but I was just making sure. Thank you.

Why wouldnt you just use the valve with the on/off that came with it ?

[Runamok]

I think you need an RT on/off pin, it's like .750" where the e mag pin is .712" this ,if I remember correctly is to keep the valve from running away. The classic pin is too thick to fit either the rt or the e mag on/off.

[1985phenom]

Where do you find just an RT on/off pin?

[Laku]

Where do you find just an RT on/off pin?

Tuna sells them, or you can buy them straight from AGD. Both are linked at the top of the page.

[going_home]

11 different pin lengths:

http://store.airgundesignsusa.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.prodInfo&prodId=1865

I'd at least try the valve to see if works the way it is, you never know.

[athomas]

If it is one of the older emag valves with the recess at the bottom of the on-off hole and uses the urethane oring for the on-off top, then the pin length is 0.725". Install a black emag quad oring in place of the urethane one and it will work fine in your valve as is. The best thing to do is check the length of the pin. A newer emag pin length is 0.712" and should use the black quad oring. It might work as is in your gun setup, but it would probably be quite reactive. The standard pin length is 0.750" for a retro valve or classic valve..

[1985phenom]

Thanks for all the help. I will be working on this in the coming weeks.

[1985phenom]

So I was finally able to take the mag out for its maiden voyage (for me). I am completely new to mags (but not to paintball). BTW I was one of the lucky ones with a Hawaii ULE mag... Testing my setup at the house everything shot well. There was no runaway and it was a bit reactive but not too much. I took it to the field and for the first two games it acted just like it did at the house. I went to top off my air and the next game it was like the valve got very reactive and the slightest grazing of the trigger would result in 2-4 shots before it would reengage the sear. I was not double feeding past the ball detent. On occasion I would hear a slight hiss after the trigger pull (assuming that was the lvl x), but other times it seamed that after a 2-4 shot burst the sear would fail to engage the on/off and would just pass air down the barrel. I would then have to turn off my ASA and turn it back on to reset the valve.

Like I said I am new to mags but I am assuming it is either bolt stick or the on/off pin length. Any help/advice is appreciated...luckily I had my Hawaii classic valve in the car and I swapped it out and resumed playing.

[blackdeath1k]

Transferring this to tech might help you.

But my quick question is.

1 How wore does the edge of the sear look that connects with the bolt?
2 How wore does the bolt look?
3 Is there a credit card thickness gap behind the trigger to the trigger rod when it is gassed up?
4 And how old are the Orings in the emag valve?
5. How long is the on off pin in your valve?

[athomas]

It sounds like your small on-off top oring is leaking. That would cause all of the symptoms you are experiencing.

[1985phenom]

Transferring this to tech might help you.

But my quick question is.

1 How wore does the edge of the sear look that connects with the bolt?
The edge of the sear that connects to the bolt looks good and is not rounded.
2 How wore does the bolt look?
The lxl 10 bolt looks good. One thing that I did notice when I disassembled it was that when you slide the bolt back toward the power tube there is a slight "sticking" point. The lxl 10 that I have on my classic valve has the same thing but to a lesser extent. I would not see this as the issue, just something I noticed.
3 Is there a credit card thickness gap behind the trigger to the trigger rod when it is gassed up?
Yes
4 And how old are the Orings in the emag valve?
I purchased the emag valve from someone who said that the O-rings were replaced and oiled. I don't know how old the O-rings are.
5. How long is the on off pin in your valve?

I am not sure.

[1985phenom]

It sounds like your small on-off top oring is leaking. That would cause all of the symptoms you are experiencing.

I took a look at the small on-off top oring and it looked good and not damaged. I will need to get an oring to replace it to see if it was in fact the problem.

[1985phenom]

I attemted to take some video to further help with the diagnosis but I have not been able to upload them yet.

With paint: it had the same symptoms. I think that the bolt is not fully cycling...

Without paint: it is extremely reactive, but I can fully control everything (i.e. when I let off the trigger it will stop shooting).

Interesting note: when I first tested it weeks ago, the valve was not really reactive. It shot like my classic valve but with a much lighter trigger pull. Now it is like a machine gun!

[1985phenom]

Transferring this to tech might help you.


5. How long is the on off pin in your valve?

On/Off pin length is 0.753"

I hope to upload some videos tonight.