automag v auto cocker

[Arson51]

the auto mag really cool i wanted one for a long time but people say get the cocker they shoot farther more accuratly and just as fast with a hinge or sto 3 way. which one should i get. please respond. especialy if you own a 99 cocker and mini mag

[Miscue]

Cocker does not shoot further or more accurately... and cycles slower than a Mag. Also much more complicated.

Both guns are good, try them both... and get them both if you can! (Mag first though... )

[mykroft]

A Hinged cocker cycles just as fast as an Automag, although it's top possible speed is lower than an RT's. It is neither longer-ranged or more accurate, physics prevents this unless you induce backspin like a Z-Body or Flatline Barrel does. Shoot both, buy what feels better.

[Arson51]

the guy at my shop said that is was closed bolt so it was more efficient and more accurate. mag is cheaper and smaller and easier to maintain and clean and it would go good with a flat line air system. but so would a cocker are you guys really sure that it dosnet shoot farther and more accuratly it does make sense that a ball going out the barrel 300 fps would go just as far but than y is the cocker the most used tournament gun

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by Arson51
than y is the cocker the most used tournament gun

Its called marketing. You sponsor teams to use your guns. People think "oh that must be a good gun," then people buy your gun.

Cockers are also more customizable. People can modify thier guns to make it feel right to them.

With a mag stock is pretty much the best, you can't really change anything to make it better, AGD puts the best parts in when you buy it. If you don't like the feel there is very little you can do.

[drx975]

Heres my view on a Cocker vs. Minimag. One a cocker does not fire farther in any way, this is just a myth. According to physics, the paintball should fall in the same area regardless of the gun. This is assuming that the same barrel is used, and the same velocity. You also have to consider that the ball will sometimes spin backwards like in a Flatline barrel, just by chance. I think Cocker owners, in the beginning, saw the mag's amazing ROF stock and subconscienciously began to think that the Cocker has better range (in order to be on a equal level as a Mag).

Two, a Cocker may or may not have a better accuracy, stock. Also, a mag shoot paintballs out straight, not necessarily on-target, but straight out, either left or right. In other words the paintballs do not curve mid-air. On a Cocker, its a little different. The paintballs may go slightly more on-target, but they tend to curve left/right towards the last 15-20 yards or so (I might be wrong there, but I heard it somewhere, Im not just making it up).

Three, when you buy a Cocker, you buy the god damn colors. They dont cost 600 becuase they perform differently, they look different. Some Cockers may be slightly different in performance, but not really. Its all in the head. (as in the distance myth)

A mag has the performance, the cocker has the looks. I would go through all the mag pluses (and yes some minuses) but you all prolly know them by now.

[a_malfunction]

Get the mag and learn the trigger and you'll be fine!

[mykroft]

OK, quick lesson on accuracy. Accuracy depends solely on 2 things: Baint/barrel match and consistency. With similar consistancy and paint/barrel match a Stingray and a Phantom equally accurate. The Cocker is probably the more consistent Out Of Box on CO2, due to the reg design and Air Path, while the Mag should be slighly better on HPA OOB (the Mag's reg is better, but hates liquid CO2, WGP reg isn't as good, but is more tolerant of Liquid CO2, and does good job of keeping liquid out of the gun). One advantage of the Cocker is it is a more efficient gun, IE: you will get more shots out of one tank on a cocker. It's also insanely tweakable and upgradeable, while the Mag has less available (Or Necessary) upgrades, especially for internals. One thing to note is the first thing people upgrade on cockers after a barrel is aftermarket front pneumatics, which actually offer the least performance improvements to a cocker. high-flow valve & bolt, matched spring kit and Eclipse or WGP hinge frame are the tickets to better efficiency and performance, the stock front pneumatics are excellent, and the STO pneumatics are unbeatable (Matched by some, beaten by none). For a Mag, a 45 Frame, front grip and good barrel are all you need for top-notch performance, and a Retro gets you top-level performance, that's it. The Mag is incredibly tough and reliable, performs well and doens't need much tweaking, it's a bit harder on paint and less efficient, but it's also possible for you to fix basic problems with little trouble, while the Cocker is more difficult to learn to tech.

Shoot both, buy what you prefer.

I've owned 1 cocker & 2 mags, loved both, will own more of each.

[Arson51]

they guy at the store told me he wouldnt use the mag except for rec!!!! and the fact it was closed bolt made it shoot better. he was probally just trying to sell me a 500 dollar cocker over the 350 mag

[Bykerkyle]

The WGP swing trigger handles are strait pimp! If you have a cocker i would get one because i was messing with one the other night and you can rip on one!

[theraidenproject]

what i HEARD was the basis for this range/accuracy thing is:
a.)before they required beavertails, cocker owners could hit a rod that would raise their velocity 20 fps, thus shooting farther than the chrono'd mags
b.)like someone said before, how the guns performed on co2. when co2 was what tourny players used, the cocker would be more consistant than the mag, therefore having better accuracy
c.)same thing with co2, but mags are more likely to freeze up on co2 than cockers

also, stores push the cockers so they can sell you stuff and have you pay for repairs. Look at the guns they have in shop. It will probably be mostly cockers, and few, if any, mags. Also, look at their accesories. They will have a ton for cockers, and few for mags, cuz thats where the money is.

that said, both are great guns, and when properly tuned, are amazing.

[theraidenproject]

about closed vs. open bolt:

http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/paintguns/balistic/closedopen.shtml

here's an excerpt:

The conclusions:

By testing under controlled circumstances we were able to isolate the subject of our test (the bolt operation) from the other variables involved. Firing our marker as an open bolt, blowback operated semi-automatic, we found the same level of accuracy, as when firing as a manually operated closed bolt marker. Our conclusion - the great "inherent accuracy" of closed bolt markers over open bolt markers is a myth.

[HoppysMag]

Arson51- never listen to store owners, they are prejudice, un informed people. they are trying to sell you the most exspensive gun that will break quicker and have more "Upgrades",( some, if not most, ofwhich do nothing). If he can sell you a 600$ cocker that will need regulare tune ups. and you will also buy LOTS of "Upgrades" he makes more money. If he sells you a 350$ mag that dosnt need upgrades. And if it breaks AGD will fix it, so he wont get any $$$ for repairing it.. im not gunna get into my "Shiney Movey Thingy Theory".... Shinney things that move are automaticly apealing to most. just like adding "Costom" and "Limited Edition" makes it better...

[Arson51]

hell if a pile of **** was shiny and was a limited edition i would like it alot better than a normal pile of ****! yeah good point im getting the mag. and should i get a fore grip or a regulator, and a double tirgger frame?

[zach724]

my opinion is that this argument has gone on way to long but nevertheless it will never die. i love my minimag, only problem is that im poor and quality aftermarket products are really expensive