E-mag and CO2

[BTAutoMag]

would an emag work with CO2 if i switched out the valves

[athomas]

Put a classic valve in an emag body and grip and you have a classic emag that runs on CO2.

Airgun Designs has an upgrade program in effect where standard mag owners can send their mags in and have them upgraded to emags. They come back as an emag with your original classic valve.

[BTAutoMag]

well accually i want an emag bad and i was considering retiring the beast to do it and seeing if anyone would trade my beast + $ - the valve for their emag - the valve. im not to big on compressed air cause when i play im usually not near a sourse of air so its gotta last. and with compressed air you need to fill it after every game.

[than205]

how much paint do you shoot?
I usually shoot 700 +/- rounds in a day and that bones the tank. Is there a dive shop nearby?
My suggestion would be to get a hyperframe.

[soilent green]

I got a scuba fill station now it is good ($200 new) but I used to run a big 110/4500 nitro duck tank good for about 1500 shots the Emag valve won't run on co2 so I'd say nitro is much better use it if you can

[FordPrefect]

I think that you should get a Hyperframe, because an Emag on CO2 will most likly get a lot of liquid, even with a remote if your shootin fast.

[splat11756]

you wont be aable to fire as fast as an emag with a real rt/emag/retro valve

[PyRo]

I'm pretty sure that they use a differant on-off in the e-mag. I don't know if the stock on-off would work.

[athomas]

I think the on/off pin length may be a slightly different in the emag than the one that comes with the standard valve. AGD will get you the proper one if needed. They aren't that expensive.

If you are going to use CO2, don't even consider the retro valve. Even if you fire slowly, the recharge rate is so high that it will freeze. This causes the orings to malfuntion and spew CO2 gas out everywhere.

The biggest problem with the standard AIR valve is the short stroking problem, which is caused when the trigger isn't fully released before it is pulled again. The valve doesn't fully charge with gas before it is closed and forced to fire. The retro valve solves this problem by having and incredibly fast recharge rate so that even if you don't fully release the trigger, it still recharges fast enough to be fully ready for the next shot.

Putting electronics on a regular mag valve also solves this problem. It maximizes the valve recharge time. The regular AIR valve itself is capable of phenominal rates of fire when used properly. An Emag with an AIR valve and running compressed air would probably exceed 12 balls per second without shootdown, plus you get to keep the capability of running CO2. I think AGD mentions the exact rate or fire somewhere here on their site.

Hope this helps.

[PyRo]

With the average person shooting a stock mag manually you will get shootdown at about 6bps, but you won't really be able to notice it. If you can pull 10bps without shortstrokeing that is when you get noticable shootdown. Electronic frames however can shoot faster, there is a recording or a stock mag doing 16bps with an electro frame somewhere around here. Electros preform the same function as manually pulling the trigger, only much quicker increasing efficiancy.

[MikeCouves]

You get shootdown at like 6 BPS? But isn't it the valve doing the work not the electronic trigger frame? I don't really understand that.

[PyRo]

You will get shootdown around 6bps, but not enough to notice it.

[Lorquas]

Originally posted by athomas
Airgun Designs has an upgrade program in effect where standard mag owners can send their mags in and have them upgraded to emags. They come back as an emag with your original classic valve.

How much would that cost?

[athomas]

I don't know if they are still offering the conversion, but it was on for $650.00 plus your old mag.