My Gun Gets Outshot!

[LeadBasedPaint]

The trigger has to be broken in. Personally I think the mag has a much better trigger than a spyder or pirahna. I can get about 7 balls a second with a single trigger and no modifications. I know thats not absolutly blazing, but it is fast. I can't wait to go electro though. Any suggestion as to which electro trigger is best?

[MagShooter]

As far as going electro..I just did that. BUt I took the expensive way out of it and bought an Emag. It ROCKS!!! But the Boo-Yah frame is decent..I had one on my classic, but I couldn't get the dang thing working. However, I heard they're out of business. So the Hyperframe is your other option. From what I heard, it's a good frame too..but tends to eat bolts. That's all the help I can give ya..like I said. I don't have much experience with those frames since I bought an Emag. Hope this helps

[LeadBasedPaint]

Yeah the e-mag looks like its a pretty sweet gun. Even when I was a mag hater ( yes I used to hate mags, but after getting my minimag I got over it) deep down I had to admit that it was sweet. I especially like the way they used magnets for the trigger, and that you can go manual if the battery dies.

[MagShooter]

I never hated mags..I never even liked them until I bought my classic over a year ago. The fact that the Emag can shoot in manual if the batteries die (unlike other electros) definitely influenced my decision to buy it. Plus, the gun just plain old rocks.

[Thordic]

Ok.. heres a personal example:

Last weekend I used my Spyder. I was fanning the trigger pretty fast, not sure of exact BPS, but it was going pretty fast. BUT, the damn gun is so inconsistant it would take 20 balls to hit something a mag would hit in 5. A stream of 10 from a Spyder will have a huge variation in where the balls end up. A mag shooting off a string of ten balls at the same speed will land them in a much tighter nicer more consistant pattern 99.9% of the time, unless someone is shooting a sleeper SpAngel. But if someone has one of those, they probably spent the same or more than you spent on your mag, so don't sweat it. And your gun is probably more reliable anyway :)

Note: For those out there who are confused, it IS possible to totally deck out a Spyder and make it a nice gun. But, by the time you are done, there aren't any stock parts left, so is it really a Spyder? :) I saw a $900+ custom Spyder on a website once. It happens. :)

[LeadBasedPaint]

Yeah. Bottom line. MAGS ROCK!!!! The thing is I just experienced shootdown today. I had heard people complain about it, but today I just got it. I was rapid fireing (bout a 10 shot string) and the last ball just kind rolled out. It only went about 20 feet and didn't break. How do I fix that? New valve? I was lookin at one, I forgot what its called. I think its made by AGD, but anyway supposedly it has a higher recharge rate and allows for cold weather play.

[Puckz]

You probably short stroked that last shot...

[LeadBasedPaint]

Maybe. I'll have to try it again.

[ZeroXtreme]

Hey Lead...

Maybe you did short stroke the last one, although if you are still interested in the new valve, I think you are talking about a RetroValve. It's made by AGD, and is the backbone of both the RT and the E-Mag.

The RetroValve only woks with nitro and has five (5) times the recharge rate of the old Mag valves. It allows for play in cold weather because of the fact that it uses nitro instead of CO2. With nitro you can play in whatever weather no matter what valve you use.

[LeadBasedPaint]

No. It's not the retro valve. I judt found the site I was looking at it on (skanline.com). It is called the reactor valve. It is an on/off. It says that it allows for sub zero play, it instantly recharges, increases consistency, lightens trigger pull, and reduces ball drop off. Sounds great, but does it work like it says it does?

[Lone Gunman]

Lead, just stick with stock valve parts, they are the best. Unless you want to shell out the money for a Retro.

[FDB1]

ten bucks says you short stoked that last shot...

it happens...

its not the valve...

[pumpamatic]

Yeah, you probably did shortstroke lead, you don't always chop a ball when you do.

Anyways, who cares if you can't shoot faster than other people. Eventually it will come. As for now, just enjoy a gun that never breaks down. Even if my mag and a worse trigger pull than say a Spyder, I wouldn't give it up just because it hasn't let me down yet.

[LeadBasedPaint]

Ok. Although I do wanna try that valve, and pumpamatic my trigger has a much better pull than a spyder. :)

[MikeCouves]

Saw off your trigger frame and put a double on!!!

That's what I have done and I can rrrrrrrrrrip up the field with it. It makes it way easier to pull the trigger.