Powerfeeds falling off mag bodies

[Avery]

Well, I have read a couple posts now that mention the feed tubes breaking off mag bodies at the weld. The response is usually "Holy Crap! How the heck did that happen? You must have really smashed it, it's a mag!"

Well, I'm sorry to inform you that the welds are just poor quality, at least in some cases. One person dropped theirs onto a pile of shirts, and broke the tube off. Others have had them fall off while shooting. Me, I kicked it over with my stockinged foot and the powerfeed fell of the micromag a friend loaned me.

I know these AGD guns are supposed to be tough, but my bare foot was fine, and the mag fell apart - and I can't walk barefoot on grass without hurting my feet. I spoke with a welder, and the welds were "poor work, the bottom one is crap, and the bead doesn't go all the way through."

Well, I'm going to try calling AGD support.

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[Potatoboy]

I know what you mean.

Mine simply fell off.

AGD replaced it with no questions asked.

You should be fine, sometimes a few bad welds fall through the cracks.

[FrAuStY]

Honestly that would be your best bet. If the body shows no sign of high impact damaged that could have caused that (Dent or ding on or aound feed tube)or rust, AGD may want that body back to inspect.. The welds on my mag are uniform 1/8" beads in a perfect crescent shape above and below feed tube. Could have just been a bad stick or bad tig used. It shouldn't have made it out in my eyes if it was a shady weld. I was gonna add the AGD slogan..but I decided to keep it to myself this time...

[BlackVCG]

First of all, you broke off a Micromag PF tube. AGD has nothing to do with the manufacturing of the Micromag bodies. Secondly, there's only a handful of PF tubes that break off the AGD bodies. They're silver soldered onto the mainbody. I do agree they should widen the bead a bit more, but it's the highest quality material and bead in comparison to all other PF bodies. At least if it does happen, AGD will replace it for you.

[cphilip]

Oh Hey! Well....Welcome Avery! First post I see! Good to have you come on and exagerate and pontificate!!!! It's obvious you know so much about Mags and the history of em and welding and all I am just sure your gonna be a real fine contributor to the Forum!!!

[Avery]

Well, I'm glad that my first post warrants a flame from a moderator! Wow!

This is my first post because this is a borrowed mag. I don't own a mag, nor do I plan on owning one any time soon, but since is was my socked foot that kicked it over, I thought it was my job to look into this.

As for PTP making the bodies, I had no idea. Here I was thinking that items sold on the AGD website for $150 were made by AGD. I feel so stupid!

Finally, I am not dissing the mag, I am merely stating (for the benefit of AGD customers) the previous posts about feed tubes breaking off were not exaggerated. Do a search in the Tech forum for "weld" and you'll see several of these threads where replies varied from empathetic concern to disbelief. What I wanted to say was, "yes, the feed tubes can fall off easily, no you don't need to abuse a marker to knock them off". That's it.

As for the weld, I do not think it was soldered - I'm no expert, but my welder friend is- and he said the quality of the weld could not really be seen until it had been cracked open or whatnot. I have heard so many good things about AGD's service that I am planning on sending it in to see what they can do to repair it. Of course, they're not open today (is this an American holiday?) but I'll try to call tomorrow. Thanks for your interest in my thread, and I hope not to let cphilip down by ever posting on his forums again.

[cphilip]

Well I dunno if it could be as strong a as flame. I just kind of found it amusing myself but even at that I think it was a bit rude to open up your first Post with a flame of AGD on AGD's own site. An unfounded claim at that. I am not about to let it go unchallenged. If it was valid I would tell you so. Oh how quick we are to call something a flame when indeed you shot the first burst and asked for it back.

Micromag bodies are not sold on this site now by AGD. You must be mistaken. Perhaps you are confusing it with a Mini Mag body? And we have many owners here and rarely hear of a broken PF weld. So I can tell you without any hesitiation your small sample group is not indicative of the majority of the product. So I do consider it an exageration.

But anyway seriously hang around and join in. We can cure you! But do as you like. But I suggest you hang and get to know everyone a bit before you start critisizing. Not only was that so in your first post was but so is your second one now.

Peace to you brother?

[Avery]

It seems that you and I are in the same boat, since I did not feel that my opening post was a flame at all. To be honest, I wouldn't go through the trouble of registering for an account just to flame something. As for my ignorance, I don't know automags. The one I have is pretty much identical to the regular Automag, only it has some holes cut out around the barrel. Perhaps it is a mini mag and not a micro mag as you suggest (the terms are just a little easy for someone to mix up), but nevertheless my claims are not exaggerated at all.

I know that this PF fell off, and given the circumstances of this happening I am inclined to beleive the 4 or so others that have posted here with the same problem. I'm not saying "mag's are crap" or anything like that, in fact I have a great deal of respect for the marker.

At any rate, once this is all cleared up, I don't really have much business to post here, as I won't own, shoot or work on any mags until one falls out of the sky into my lap (not that I would mind that). So, Peace to you brother.

[cphilip]

OK so that is a Mini then not a Micro.

Seems odd you just registered to tell us that.

Oh well...come back any time then. Wish you all the luck with whatever you chose to use for your marker.

[Zygote]

Unless they've changed the powerfeeds in the last couple of years, I'd say that your first problem is that micromag powerfeeds aren't even welded on. They're attached with two bolts. Did you mean vertical feed?

[BlackVCG]

I'm assuming now that he has a Minimag, not a Micromag. He stated it was a Micromag at first, and those are not made by AGD so I pointed that out.

However, I will state that the PF tubes are indeed silver soldered onto the mainbody. In fact, 60% real silver solder is used. A weld can break. That's just something that has to be dealt with. Some welds don't turn out as good as others. Some get more air pockets in them and that leads to built in weak points in the weld. Out of the 10,000 some odd Mags out there, I don't think AGD sees but maybe half a dozen mainbodies a year come in that have the PF tube broke off. Ask Kingman or any of the other companies how often they get their guns shipped back to them with broken PF tubes.

[rjvemt1]

he is talking about a mini, i have owned 3 mags since '91 (among other guns) the only feed tube i ever had problems with was on a nickle plated typhoon from palmer pursuit, wich they promptly fixed at no charge. i am SURE agd will do the same for you. the reason people get so defensive about mags is because of agd's customer service and product quality. i think that degree of brand loyalty says a lot more for a companies product than a FEW fualty welds