barrel question

**Coaster** · 06-03-2002, 06:32 PM

If you are going to get a boomstick, i would get the 14incher. Adding that extra porting earlier than 8inches into the barrel isn't going to make it that much less efficient with air, also your range is going to stay the same with either barrel(provided you arn't turning your velocity up or have a z-grip). Something else to consider is the '02 Smart Parts all-american. This is going to be quieter than the boomstick and also 20-30 dollars less. Hope this helps...

**PyRo** · 06-03-2002, 06:34 PM

Range is not affected at all by your barrel with the exeption of the flatline.
2 objects traveling at and equall velocity with the same forces being exerted on them will go the same distance. The only thing that can affect it is backspin, and neither barrel induces this.
Make sure they are chronoed at the same velocity. No, you cannot eyball it, you need a good chrono.

**WebShock** · 06-04-2002, 04:29 AM

why the 14? is there a particular reason? I don't like my marker to look like a rifle. thats why i cringe at the thought of getting a 16 or 18 incher. Im curious as to why a 14 inch boomy is the ideal boomstick.

**drx975** · 06-04-2002, 08:50 AM

14in is just that players preference. No matter what they say it isn't any better. Well my bad, from 12in to 14in is going to make your gun a little quieter; however, less gas efficient. Also there is no way that your cocker shoots farther than a Mag, and Im not trying to be biased in saying that but its a law of physics. And a simple one (which makes me wonder why people just dont get it).

IMO I would get a 12in one becuase it will be more efficient and have less ball breaks in the long run (the difference will be after cases and cases, like 10, becuase these barrels are very nice and dont break often).

**Patron God of Pirates** · 06-04-2002, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Coaster
provided you arn't turning your velocity up or have a z-grip

This is the second time I've seen someone mention Z-Grips effecting range. Is this true? Pardon my ignorance, but the original run of Z's was before my time as a Mag user.

**WebShock** · 06-04-2002, 10:10 AM

i understand that due to physics, it doesnt make sense.

Fact of the matter is that on the same field, i help ref on a weekly basis, with my 2 diffrent markers both on the same velocity, the cocker's range is further.

do barrels affect range at all? I was under thew impression they did. Before you go ripping me a new one, lets understand what it is i am talking about. I'm not saying that in a situation where a cocker and a mag running stock barrels, same fps and same paint, that the cocker would shoot further. I'm saying that my mag with a lapco barrel, is loud as hell and, my cocker with a very similar aftermarket barrel shoots further. I'm talkin barrels, not markers.
What I was also asking is, could it just be perception?
It just seems to me that after 4 years of playing on my home field, i percieve that my cocker shoots further. I understand that due to physics, air being shot at the same force (due to fps) should deliver the ball the same distance. However, if the barrel is somehow hindering the ball while it is traveling down the barrel, it may very well slow the ball down and affect the range. Both the Lapco and the dye ss are small bore.
This isnt another installment on the "cocker has more range than a mag just due to name brand" debate. I'm wondering if my Lapco is affecting the balls travel and I asked for advice on selecting a new barrel. I also would like to know what the forum's opinion is on what the ideal barrel for a ported barrel is on a mag. I want to quiet my marker down and I want to retain the efficiency of a 8-10 inch non ported barrel. it being that dye barrels port at diffrent lengths due to the overall length, i was wondering which one of their boomsticks begin to port at the first 8.5 inches.

**Patron God of Pirates** · 06-04-2002, 10:42 AM

I have a 10" Boomy and a 16" AA I use on my Mag. I haven't noticed any difference in range or accuracy (shooting marbs), but the AA makes a little less noise.

**Top Secret** · 06-04-2002, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by Patron God of Pirates

This is the second time I've seen someone mention Z-Grips effecting range. Is this true? Pardon my ignorance, but the original run of Z's was before my time as a Mag user.

I think he means z-body, but if Z-GRIPS add more range I want one!

**Patron God of Pirates** · 06-04-2002, 12:16 PM

Thanks. I had never heard of Z-Bodies before. I checked it out on pbreview "The Galactic Z-Body". Weird, but apparently they work. If AGD made something like that I'd look into it.

**Coaster** · 06-04-2002, 01:03 PM

webshock, about your earlier post, the reason i said 14inches is because he said his posibilities were either a 14 or 16. Secondly, he also said he wanted to have something quieter.

**drx975** · 06-04-2002, 01:37 PM

Alright Webshock...

However, if the barrel is somehow hindering the ball while it is traveling down the barrel, it may very well slow the ball down and affect the range. Both the Lapco and the dye ss are small bore.

This isn't possible. Stop for a minute and think: when you chrono your gun, you put the chrono in front of the barrel. This means that if anything was slowing the ball down IN the barrel, the chrono would read a slower velocity or speed. Therefore you would raise the velocity setting on your gun to negate this "glitch".

Another good point is heat. When you are playing in the heat the tank pressure rises. This obviously causes an increase in pressure, ultimately an increase in velocity. About 2 weeks ago I was playing at a local field and chronoed 271 271 271 (lol yeah I thought the chrono "froze up" or stopped working, but nope). By the middle of the day I re-chronoed because my gun was shooting somewhat erratically at times and I was shooting well over 290. The high for the day was about 77 or 78 according to the weather channel and my judgement, plus direct sun contact at times.

And the "perception" thing. You definetly cannot eyeball it as PyRo put it, because 1 fps puts about a 3 or so feet difference in your distance. Now add in the efficiency of your tank. Lets say you shoot the Cocker a couple of times and the velocity is 278 276 277 275(without you knowing of course), when you chronoed 280. That makes one barrel shooting about -6 to 8 feet than 280 would put out. Then you switch barrels later in the day and it the velocity is now 282 283 284 281. Now your gun, or barrel as you would want to say, is shooting +6 to 8 feet more than 280 would put out. Add up the difference in distance and you get 16 feet. That's pretty noticable. So don't eyeball it.

Also, just thinking one barrel is better than the other will make a huge difference in your depth perception, it did with me. I had a tippmann98 stock barrel and then switched to a J&J 2 piece stainless steel combo barrel, and man I thought I put on about another 50 feet. I know now that that is not true. But it sure as hell looked and felt like it. I have a Lapco Stainless Steel now and the 2 things I notice are one: lower pressure required to shoot the paintball, meaning (in a mag) a much softer trigger, and now quicker; and two: deadly accuracy. I once got a kid 75 feet away three times in the head with a burst of 4 shots

Hope this helps out some, and didnt bore you too much.

**Kevmaster** · 06-04-2002, 05:46 PM

dude. its physics. a ball going 280fps will go just as far as another ball going 280fps(assuming same mass, diameter, and rotational inertia--spin). thats the truth. a cocker w/ boomie at 280 will shoot the ball just as far as a cocker w/ a lapco at 280. its called Newton's 2nd Law of Physics F(net) = Mass * Acceleration

thats a fact!

**WebShock** · 06-05-2002, 04:08 AM

thanks all!

You just saved me the headache of being dissapointed.

Name brands and people's preferance sure are a big factor in the everyday upgrade decision. Instead of buying a namebrand, I wanted something that would actually improve my markers preformance.

Thats why i wanted you guys to help me here.

I've decided to not buy anything if what I have is about as good as it gets. I gather, While the dye is prettier, my ugly loud lapco is more efficient and softer on my trigger. I think i'll take the mechanical aspect of it over the pretty, hyped up bandwagon called dye

Thanks for letting me know that it was just perception over actual fact. I would've been pissed off to find out that not only would the dye eat my tank up, but there would be no actual noticable diffrence.

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