Level 10 Carrier questions

[warpfeedmod]

how do I know which is which? They're all the same size (height) so how do I tell which is the smaller/bigger one? I don't quite get the thing with the lines/dots on the sides..

[mxracer33x]

The carriers are sized as follows:

Groove = 1 full size
Dots = 1/2 size

Therefore
2 Grooves = #2 carrier
1 groove and dots = #1.5 carrier

Smaller sizes are tighter, From what I have seen posted most people use a #1.5 or #2 carrier. You can make it a tight fit to make it softer on paint, but you increase the chance of the bolt sticking. As stated in toms installation guide, the reason for the carriers is to compensate for the difference in o-ring size from batch to batch. (Basically if you bought more o-rings a year or so down the road they might require a #4 carrier to get a proper fit).

Hope this helps

[warpfeedmod]

okay I've got the #2 in there (2 grooves no dots) and the stock spring (I think it is the stock, might be the short one that came with the kit) and 2 shims...doesn't leak, input is around 800-900 and velocity is in almost to the point where it leaks out the back. It stops on a pen/squeege, finger it feels like it's hitting kinda hard, and the dollar it hits like it's not even there.

I tried the cut spring, couldn't get it to stop leaking, even with a different carrier and with/without shims. Any ideas?

[mxracer33x]

I had this problem too, On a classic valve. I had an ANS Phase II valve on my valve body, I replaced it with the stock AIR valve back and it worked fine. Or it could be the regualtor piston needs to be replaced. You might call the Airgun Designs Techs to see if they can help if this doesnt. Some people also have had to replace a worn out spring pack as well. Also whne yo usay it leaked with the cut spring, was it out the back or out the front? Im assuming out the back with all the above info.

Good Luck

[warpfeedmod]

actually it leaked down the barrel so I'm not sure. It's the stock RTPro valve. I'll be at the shatner game in August, maybe I'll have someone look at it there...I'll keep playing with it though and see what I can get to happen..

Thanks for the input all, if anyone's got any other ideas I'd be more then happy to hear em.

[mxracer33x]

If it leaked down the barrel then try a tighter carrier and maybe the longest srpring

[warpfeedmod]

I went with the next tigheter carrier (was quite tight on the bolt actually) and it still leaked...I even tried replacing the white o-ring in the carrier thinking I damaged the other one, but no dice. Still leaks down the barrel. Like I said I'll be bringing it to the Shatner game so perhaps I can get one of you kind experts to look at it there. Or I'll just use the 'cocker or 'timmy

[FrAuStY]

Did you make sure you didn't bend the shims? Have you tried putting a drop or two of oil in the ASA/closest fitting to the valve. To see if it stopped the leak? I know with the tighter the carrier the more you have to oil your gun. I run the 1.0 carrier with 3 shims... it'll stop on a cigarette and not break it.. also stops on a dollar bill with no damage.

[warpfeedmod]

shims are all flat so I don't think that would do it. How do I measure the bolt to find out if it's wrong?

[halo13]

I had the air down the barrel problem to. Try taking out the shims and moving to carrier 1.5 or 1

[warpfeedmod]

hmmm okay getting kinda annoyed heh why can't these things be easy

I tried the 1 and 1.5 carrier without the shims, still leaks slightly down the barrel when I gas up. At this point I'm out of gas so I can't really test it anymore 'till I get a refill. But according to the install instructions on the site here, when I move the bolt around with the squeegee the air changes tone a bit. So therefore it's the carrier if I'm understanding it correctly. Anymore ideas or am I just best to wait for one of you kind folks to help me at the shatner game?

[alkafluence]

Originally posted by warpfeedmod
I went with the next tigheter carrier (was quite tight on the bolt actually) and it still leaked...I even tried replacing the white o-ring in the carrier thinking I damaged the other one, but no dice. Still leaks down the barrel. Like I said I'll be bringing it to the Shatner game so perhaps I can get one of you kind experts to look at it there. Or I'll just use the 'cocker or 'timmy

Remember that everytime you change the o-ring (as they tend to be different sizes) you have to break them in before they function properly.

BTW- did you also try backing down your input pressure from your tank?

[warpfeedmod]

input pressure is around 800-900 ish..

I've tried higher and lower. So during the break-in period will I notice some slight leakage until it's fully operational? Even when it wasn't leaking it seemed real hard on my finger, and the dollar was getting mushed..

[luke]

Go to a longer spring to lighten impact of the bolt.

And yes, the o ring will leak while you are breaking it in.

[warpfeedmod]

okay, played with it some more over the weekend (only got a 2500 psi fill tho... ). Anyway, no leaking, input pressure was around 900 (might have been more due to creep in the reg on the tank) and I had the velocity adjuster almost all the way in. Had some old paint (about a year or so) that I loaded one at a time and tried my best to get it to break. No dice. Got it to stop on the paint every time. Fired a few shots just to make sure the gun was working and everything was okay, and it worked great. Still felt hard on my finger and mushed the hell outta the dollar, but hey, as long as it stopped on the paint right? I have a feeling I still need to tweak it some more, but I've got the cut spring and I believe the #1 carrier (only one line, no dots).