Cocker range vs. Mag

[haiz23]

I have a question about cockers. I have heard a few people say that cocker shoot farther than mags and most other guns. Is this true. If they are shooting at the same fps with the same barrel wouldnt they shoot about the same distance. I am just wondering about this and would appreciate any info that could prove this either correct or incorrect.

[Chris]

No gun can shoot farther than any other gun, given that they are shooting at the same velocity, without adding backspin on the ball. Cockers do not shoot further or flatter than any other gun. My theory on this has to do with the way I hold the cocker and the mag. I inherently hold the mag down at the barrel more than I do with the cocker, basically, any difference you notice has to do with these things:

1) Consistancy
2) Level and height of the barrel when the gun is shot

-Chris

[2UnREal]

Au Contrare. I noticed that my cocker shooting at the same fps will shoot further than my mag. I try to lob my mag and it still won't go as far as the cocker. Now, guns shooting the same fps should not differ in range but somehow they do. Think about the flatline. How does that get the ball to go further?

[Arturus]

Originally posted by 2UnREal
Au Contrare. I noticed that my cocker shooting at the same fps will shoot further than my mag. I try to lob my mag and it still won't go as far as the cocker. Now, guns shooting the same fps should not differ in range but somehow they do. Think about the flatline. How does that get the ball to go further?

Read Chris's post agian.

"No gun can shoot farther than any other gun, given that they are shooting at the same velocity, without adding backspin on the ball. Cockers do not shoot further or flatter than any other gun."

The flatline shoots further by adding a 'backspin' on the ball.

[Chris]

If you honestly believe that a cocker/shocker/angel/stingray shoots farther than a mag, try the following test.

Borrow said gun, and a very consistant air source.
Place in a vise on a table, measure the height of the barrel to the ground. Make sure that the barrel is dead level. Set the velocity to 280fps, or whatever you want to shoot at. Use simmilar barrels, I would recomend AA's or CP's as they make them for every single gun imaginable. Use the same paint, and make sure that all the balls are from the same batch. Make sure that all of the variables are the same between the guns, so that the only difference is the gun itself. You will find, without a doubt (excluding the z-body mag, and the flatline barrel) that each and every ball shot from each and every gun will fall within a few feet of each other. No gun will outshoot any other gun. There is no way around physics If you doubt me, go and try this experiment, then come back and tell me what you found.

-Chris

[haiz23]

Thats exactly what i was telling my brother, that there is no way around physics. I would love to do the experiment you suggested but frankly i dont have the money to invest into something like that. If anybody has already done this experiment i would like to hear about the results.

[FeelTheRT]

i'm not saying that Cocker shoot farther or anything like that but, when i break a ball in my Cocker, the balls all curve like blind mices. When i had my RT and broke a ball, it wasn't as accurate but didn't curve off like a mofo. Maybe how the paintball is propelled?

[2UnREal]

You are right about there is no way around physics, but it just seems like my cocker shoots further. But you also have to add in the one ball is being hit while the other is shot while it is still. Anyways, you are probably right.

[X-Plosive]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought both cocker and mag bolt propell the ball somewhat. I have a funny story about this kid at my field but I'm not going to get into it. He's VERY new to paintball and spent about $1200 on his setup.

[MrStrike]

There are no way getting around Physics (sp?). but A cocker will shoot its target more consistancy. That is because the cocker is a closed bolt design marker. Just like a pump gun. actually a cocker IS a pump gun (just on serious steriods).
Personaly Ill take a Lighter, easier to fix, more air efficent mag any day over a cocker.

just my $0.02

[X-Plosive]

wow, okay..............Once more correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the whole thing about the pump gun's accuracy being supperior to every other gun just a myth? Supposedly because of the close bolt design and the fewer moving parts. What you don't realize with a pumpgun is that you have less balls and a much lower ROF. So you have to make your shots count as opposed to spray and pray. As far as the cocker could it be that you think they are more accurate than a mag because they weigh more when they are unmilled. This isn't a flame but whenever we touch this subject I notice many myths are added and from them we have flames. Now a cocker that has been setup properly running a gladiator or stab will most likely have better consistancy than a stock mag. But thats like comparing apples with oranges. Now replace the mag with an RT-Pro and it becomes realistic again. This post has nothing to do with the thread and is here only to clear up the statement made by MrStrike.

As far as the original question, mags will be just as accurate as cockers or any other gun for that matter when all variables are they same including paint to barrel match. With the exception of the gun.

[mac2k4]

but there is another factor, ball distortion, lower pressure, meaning less acctuall presure smacking the ballform a still position having less ball distortion, w/ ball distortion the ball is distorted so lil' air comes out and the ball won't shoot as accurate, just like shooting dimpled balls, and egg shaped balls....

[X-Plosive]

hmmm doesn't TK have some high speed footage of a paintball being fired from the breach and he said there was 0 ball distortion. I doubt a cocker causes ball distortion either.

[mac2k4]

well i know a cocker wouldn't have much ball distortion if any, if ya can but your finger in the breech and it stops on your finger, but w/ my mag it broke a pencil in half(that'd really hurt your finger!)

[a_malfunction]

I dont think this debate will ever die.....