Hyper Frame?

[speedyejl]

Im thinking of getting a Hyper Frame because im tired of having such a heavy trigger. So since the Hyper only goes to 13bps i figure I should sell my retro valve and get a classic since a classic can deal fine with 13bps. But a few people have recomened that I keep my retro valve, Any reasons?

[Remington]

Uh. Duh. Because if you work on softening the trigger/getting an Intelliframe, you will get a better bps than the Hyperframes 13bps. The only reason you would go to a Hyperframe is because of its mouseclick pull.

[Miscue]

I dunno about getting better bps than a hyperframe...

It's not easy hitting 10+ on semi.

Personally, I really like a Retro + Intelliframe + adjustable HPA combo. Feels rather effortless to shoot sufficiently fast.

[ega]

do you know if the Retro Valves are equipped if the
level 10 now?

[ega]

do you know if the Retro Valves are equipped with the
level 10 now?

[Remington]

I doubt it. I heard its coming standard on the new Extremes.

[speedyejl]

,,, the level 10 is $80. They wouldnt upgrade from the longnose to the LX that easily. Any how no the retro dosent have a LX

[ega]

are they gonna be equipped sometime in the future?
what about the new mags? they all should be equipped with level X. why would you want to spend $400 on a gun that chops paint and spend $80 more just to get an upgrade. it makes more sense to buy a mag that doesn't chop paint in the first place don't you think?

[speedyejl]

Extremes are the only mag which come stock with the LX. The LX is an upgrade, its like the retro valves they arent gonna stick them on mags for free because it makes the gun perform better. Its only gonna be on their top of the line markers. Its like why by an IR3 they chop, or why buy a impulse they can have an eye, well yea u can buy both with eye and with out. I think this may be a little jabbered im tired.

[ega]

im talking about level X mods. they should be equipped with level X mods on all the new mags and Retro Valve upgrade. that way they are complete. its like buying a car with no tire. would you buy a marker that chops paint in the first place? i think not. would you buy a marker that has a reputation of being a blender? huh?
i would buy a marker, preferably one that don't chop, right out of the box, good to go!

[speedyejl]

im trying not to get on a soap box, but here I go. MAGS ARENT BLENDERS!!!!!! Before my LX I chopped 2balls ever ever!!!!!! Mags will only chop if they arent fed fast enough, shortstroking (not always), crappy nubbin adjustment, and the very very occansional thin ball breaking on the bolt (this even happens with the level 10 and is not a mag only problem, it happens less than once for every 25,000 balls shot). Thank you back to my point, a level 10 is more insurance than a performance upgrade therefore it wouldnt be included on classic mags antime soon. Also with retro valves mainly because that would be rasing the price on both of them by 1/3.

[ega]

didn't they make the level X mod Because of chopping problem? majority of the post i read says they had alot of chopping going on. if you didnT have any chopping problem then why did you get a level 10? well anyways,
mag rules. right. the point i'm trying to get is, i want a retro but i know i will break paint more than usual so i was just wondering if the level X mod will be included.


aloha dude!

[speedyejl]

srry , choping on mags is mostly user error go on pbnation to airgun forum theres a sticky by halo 13 about this. I got mine for extra insurance. Get the LX, then a good loader then retro ull be set. BTW in the airgun fourm at pbnation only %15 or ppl had sever chopping problems on thier mags, %73 said they never chopped or only a few times, the rest dont have LXs yet

[Lone Brain Cell]

hey EGA, start a post of your own, or do a search, cos this is speedyejl's post and he was talking nothing about the lvl10.