On/Off Pin: How short is too short?

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  • HyperSnyper

    #1

    On/Off Pin: How short is too short?

    Hello all,

    in another thread floating around here, I have decided to try and shorten the on/off pin on my Micro-E. I want to see what a mechanical reactive double trigger really feels like (trying to get it as close to I-frame quality crispness as possible).

    The thing is, how do you know when your pin is too short? Is it just a trial and error thing? Just keep shortening the pin until finally you notice bolt/sear wear? If thats the only way, then Im a lil afraid. I dont wanna trial and error my pin length until finally I notice my lvl 10 bolt is no longer any good.

    Let me know all.

    Much Mahalos in advance.

    -Hyper
  • cphilip
    Former Moderator

    • Jun 2026
    • 16216

    #2
    Moving to tech...ask Black he will know...


    AGD, where we are so good we can do it with only ONE tube!

    cphilip.com

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    • Jack & Coke
      TUNAMAX No. 1
      • Jul 2002
      • 2644

      #3
      I have a ReTro Mag with several pins at different lengths. So far the shortest one I have is 0.670" long.

      It is inconsistant in it's "reactive" feel because I've only got a 750-800 pre-set tank (not enough reactive pressure).

      I hope to change that when I pick up an adjustable 68/4500 Max-Flo either this week or next.

      I'll let you know how it turns out...

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      • Havoc_online
        www.havoc-online.com
        • Feb 2002
        • 2851

        #4
        stock Emag on/off pin length is .712
        RT/RTP/Retro is .750
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        • Jack & Coke
          TUNAMAX No. 1
          • Jul 2002
          • 2644

          #5
          I wonder what would happen if you dropped an Emag on/off pin and it's quad oring into a ReTro?

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          • rudy
            Registered User
            • Oct 2001
            • 439

            #6
            i use a quad in my retro it just has less friction on the on off pin helps out with a hyper frame cause there is less of a chance of the on off not kicking back out. no clue on the emag on off though

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            • Gunga
              Former AGD Factory Tech
              • May 2001
              • 1497

              #7
              Originally posted by Jack &amp; Coke
              I wonder what would happen if you dropped an Emag on/off pin and it's quad oring into a ReTro?
              Your valve would go into runaway and chew up your sear & bolt.

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              • Jack & Coke
                TUNAMAX No. 1
                • Jul 2002
                • 2644

                #8
                Originally posted by Gunga


                Your valve would go into runaway and chew up your sear & bolt.
                But I already have an even shorter pin (0.700) and a quad oring in my ReTro and it does not "run-away"...

                It has better "reactivness" than the stock pin (0.750), but not enough "push-back" pressure to make it like a Tippy RT. In other words, without the increased input pressure of an adjustable tank (+850 psi) there is barely any "reactivness" taking place let alone "run-away".

                Can't wait to get my Max-Flo!

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