no function from an automag at all, whats wrong??

[tash030]

Alright. I bought a TKO automag with a 20oz co2 bottle and a remote . Ive taken the gun out and shot a couple of rounds in the yard and what not. Then i took it out to play with some friends, used a standard VL 200 (first mistake), noticed shootdown, took off barrel and broke a ball or two. Paint everywhere. The gun didnt shoot with as much power as before, heard the "sprinkler noise." I left the game and throughly cleaned it. Regassed and pulled the trigger, and absolutely nothing happened. No leaks, no noise, just normal spring back with the trigger. How could this happen without firing more than 50 shots total since the day i received it? Took the gun home, cleaned the bolt, spring, and body of all paint and dirt, so the whole gun is spotless. Still the same results. Need alotta help with this one. I believe this takes an act of God or Tom Kaye to fix.

[Remington]

Haha no, it's simpler than you may think. If you have straight shot squeegie or a dowel take your barrel out and shove the dowel so it rests up against the bolt. Actually, have a friend hold the dowel/squeegie while you turn the remote on. This should allow the valve to gas up properly, allowing the trigger rod to charge. Hope this helps. Good luck and welcome to AO!

[Clare]

you shouldn't have to shove anything down the barrel for the gun to work, just make sure that when you put it back together that it has all its parts (like the bolt bumper). If the gun doesn't fire but you can tell it's charged, try turning up the velocity

[rjvemt1]

noticed shootdown, took off barrel and broke a ball or two.

No leaks, no noise, just normal spring back with the trigger.

please explain these two symptoms a little better. in the first one i understand your 'shootdown' issues 'cause your still using co2 but i dont understand the second half of that sentance unless your 'shootdown' was not a co2 problem, but a problem cause by chopping a couple of balls and paint in the feed tube caused the balls to feed slower.

with the second one you need to make sure you re-assembled the on-off assy correctly. look on the bottom of the valve and youll see a diagram on how its supposed to go back together, make sure you put back in correctly then try again. when you gas-up the gun listen for the valve to make a loud 'click' and most of the play in the trigger to go away. if this doesnt happen the your not getting co2 to the valve and you need to check your remote for problems.

[tash030]

What i have done already

The reply about shoving a straight rod squeegee down against the bolt might work and i have yet to try it (thanks).

With more specification with the shootdown and barrel occured when the balls were not going as far as they had been, meaning there were two balls at a time in the barrel or breech, and indeed there was. When i took off the barrel, a ball was stuck in the feed hole of in barrel, breaking a ball, so paint when all in the innards.

Increasing the velocity was the suggestion given to me by the AGD hotline, but that couldnt be right since the velocity had not been touched before. But i tried it anyway and it still didnt work. The On/Off valve is doing fine and properly in place after checking it three times before i posted the first thread in this forum.

To clarify again, everytime i turn on the remote (which is brand new and must be working fine) gas can be heard flowing through and clicking out the trigger, but when pulling the trigger, nothing happens at all. Its like the feel of the gun is working properly through the trigger pull, but no action is carried by the gun. I dont wanna have to send it in to AGD since it is a one star gun, so keep the suggestions flowing!!! Thanks

[rjvemt1]

is the sear pin in place and the sear rocking up and down freely?

[Remington]

I have two questions. 1.) Have you altered the length of the sear rod at all? If so you need to get it back to its normal length which I think is .195"(Someone correct me if I'm wrong). 2.) When you say the gun isn't doing anything is the sear rod pressed up to the trigger and when you pull the trigger it doesn't do aything? Or do you mean that when you pull the trigger the sear moves back as if the gun isn't gassed up?

[tash030]

sear pin thing

Trigger seems to be working fine. Pull the trigger and the gizmos go up and down and what not. Again this gun in almost brand new, so i dont see how something can be worn out already. Keep em coming guys!!

[Remington]

What . . . is . . . a GIZMO?

[Mirage]

I had similar problem

I had almost the same problem that you are desribing.... it happened to me after I took my Automag RT apart the first time... same problem as you are describing.. anyway.. what happened to me is that one of the O-rings was not seated correctly and got wedged where it wasn't supposed to be.. you might want to break the gun down farther and check all O-rings and spacers etc.
Hope that Helps
Mirage

[FrAuStY]

Do this.. Hold the trigger while screwing in your tank. Once you hear the gas enter the gun (a light hiss) then quickly release the trigger. The problem is the gas is "bleeding" through the reg and out the powertube. The reason it does this is the reg charges so fast, it needs a quick "pop" of pressure to seat the bolt in the sear and give a good seal in the powertube base. Otherwise the bolt just kinda floats on the incommin pressure and allows it to escape down the barrel. BTW Does it leak down the barrel?

Also make sure you're not short-strokin the mag (meaning you have pull the trigger all the way back and then let it go all the way forward). If you don't let the trigger go all the way back it won't close the on/off valve and will not disengage the sear. You may even want to measure the length of the trigger rod. Make sure it's 1.98" from the trigger rod tip to the back of the clevace. Did you adjust the rod any? If so.. thats the problem. If not.. make sure it's 1.98" long.

Another thing you may want to check is the on/off assembly for the REMOTE LINE. A friend just bought one for 40$ and the pin inside the on/off wasn't depressing the pin in the tank enough to provide the gas need to fire the marker. We connected it to a regular screw-in ASA and it worked fine. Problem solved. I hope this will help you as I'm sure it's something thats been overlooked.

Are you new to mags? Ever used one before? Don't let this destroy your image. They are the most durable markers oon the market. Not to mention capable of being the fastest markers on the fields (if your finger can fire fast )

Let us know how it goes

[tash030]

Oh No!!

The condition of things just seems to be getting worse. After trying that straight stick squeegee shabaam, the trigger doesnt click out anymore when gassed up (thanks anyway). I know its gassed up all the way since i turned up the velocity and attached the bottle straight on to the gun; upside down of course since the bottle is not antisiphon. Now i believe the problem has got to be with the trigger. Everything in the valve must be working correctly, its all brand new and been checked over about five times now.

The one indicative action that makes me think its the trigger is that when the gun is held level (either gassed up or not), the trigger rod moves back inside the gun, making it inaccessible to the trigger. I never touched the trigger rod to make it nonfunctional, and the sear and sear pin seem to be in good shape. Its just that nothing is happening when i gas up. I might take some time to go to the local proshop and see what they have to say, cause im all outta ideas and ive seen Tom Kaye fixing guns on the video way too many times. Dont worry, this experience will not have a negative effect on my view about Automags. I still think they are cool as hell. I just want mine to start workin again.

[athomas]

Check that the sear pin is fully seated in the rail. You may have to push hard to get it in. It can be really stiff.

Also check the straightness of the on/off pin. You may have bent it when dismantling the gun if you pulled the valve out before depressing the trigger to push the pin up into the valve. It probably ins't this but it doesn't hurt to check. Roll the pin on a piece of glass to check for bends.

[rjvemt1]

), the trigger rod moves back inside the gun, making it inaccessible to the trigger.

when the gun is NOT gassesd up the trigger rod does hang loose inside the handle. then when you gass it up the on- off pin is pushed 'out' of the on-off assy, down against the back of the sear wich in turn pushes the trigger rod forward against the back of the trigger, you with me so far?

(either gassed up or not),

this would lead me to believe that, either gas isnt geting to the valve, or the on-off assy isnt assemble correctly keeping it from 'charging' the gun.

I might take some time to go to the local proshop and see what they have to say

make sure they have someone who REALLY knows 'mags. most store dont know what the heck they are talking about when it comes to automags. i would recomend either agd or let an experienced mag user at your field take quick look at it.

[tash030]

on/off

Ive contantly looked over the on/off valve, and i cannot seem to find anything wrong with it. All the o rings seem to be in good shape and its all assembled correctly. I dont know how i could have stopped working all of a sudden after just breaking a ball in the first place. I guess i wont be shooting the large bore Zap Perfomance Plus anymore, they get stuck and bust too easily. Help me out guys.