retro valve help please

[DaosBeoulve]

Still check your flatline.

You might just not be noticing any issues it's putting forth without the level 10 kit on it (shootdown, etc.)

[Smokee_2_7]

Smoken,

I did have problems with my flatline. I actually sent it in to AGD for service. When It came back, problem not fixed. I then Talked with BlackVCG here in the tech forum, and took it upon myself to work on the reg. I COMPLETELY rebuilt it, including removing the reg. from the bottle so I could clean areas normally not accessable (i.e. the reg spring, ect.) I also cleaned out the bottle to rid any dirt. Most of the o-rings that I found were extremely dirty(this is right after it came back from being 'serviced' by agd.) I spent about 3 hours cleaning EVERYTHING with dental picks, q-tips, and rubbing alcohol. it was filty inside. After a complete replacement of o-rings (AGD flatline parts kit), the tank seemed to perform better. However, the performane of the gun with the flatline STILL pales in comparison to the performance of the same gun with a different nitro system. Now this particular tank is having different issues (in addition to the crappy recharge- - - which are about to be addressed in a different thread in this forum.


edhu ,

Im not suprised to see that the 'problem' went away when you removed the level 10 kit. I believe that your second assumbtion is right, that "b/c the LVL10 needs more pressure, I should still check my flatline?"

My conclusion to this point has been that my flatline is unable to provide a flow rate that is sufficent to keep the gun at 'full pressure' during rapid fire. The retrovalve moves air so fast and the lvl 10 demands such a constant pressure (shot ny shot) that the flatline just cant keep up. When I put the tank on a regular AIR valve mag, everything seems to be fine. - - -- Im' not looking for any trigger bounce, I cant' shoot that gun as fast as i can mine, and there's no level 10 in it.



Now, with the reg. piston. in short, I doubt it. The symptoms of a 'old' or 'bad' reg piston is that it starts to bleed off before it should. People encounter this w/ lvl 10 because they have to turn up the velocity so much to get the gun to cycle that the reg. vents out the back before the gun will fire reliably. Usually occurs when people are trying to use the longest or middle spring (requires more pressure behind the bolt.)

If you are using the middle spring, and the gun will fire (although it's not rapid fire) without the reg. leaking out the back, I would think that your reg. piston would be fine. Im still going with the theory that your flatline is causing the problem.

I know you said that you dont have another airsystem to try out- -So definitly follow the flatline service instructions, and see if that helps.
Next time you are at the field, ask the guys in the shop if they will let you try out another air system. They probably will.




Carl

[methecoolguy]

Question about the rt valve

Can someone please tell me why you cannot run co2 on the rt valve, is a anti-siphon tank okay? Please gimme feedback.

Thanks
paul

[edhu]

hey so if the flatline can't keep up...which tank do you guys recommend.

I've been looking at the air america tanks, centerflag tanks and the dynaflow. But they are kinda pricey. Will a PMI tank do the trick?


thanks

[personman]

Change to a larger carrier.. thats all I can think of..
Trust me, its not your flatline.
Make sure level 10 is installed correctally before you even look at your flatline.

[Shirow]

Trust me, its not your flatline.

How do you know that? I'd certainly try another tank if anything else had been checked.

To answer the original posters question, yes, a PMI tank would work fine. I personally recommend a Crossfire or a Nitroduck. Why don't you try to borrow a tank before you buy another one though, just to make sure it will fix your problem?