Making A tank...sorta

[Dawson]

well, I have been a mag owner for a while now, and resently decided to get an adjustable tank.

Well me bing the cheap persona that I am, decided to try and find a cheaper way to get one, so I came up with this...

First buy only a tank regulator, then purchase the high pressure cylinder I wanted and mount the two together.

Well i have acomplished the first part, geting the tank reg, it is a Centerflag 200 series 4500psi. I have also contacted Carleton and am waiting to set up an account and buy a cylinder.

So here's the question how should I have this done, It it safe enought to not locktite the tank (I ask this because the angel A.I.R reg it not locktited to the cylinder), and is it neccesary to have a pro do it (my guess is yes and I probably will have one of the local tech's do it)

I bought the regulator here http://www.actionvillage.com/031-4311.html

the reg I got was pre 201 so there is no on/off, and no rail mount.

this is Carleton's web site http://www.carltech.com/new-composit...othercomp.html

any help would be greatly appreciated

[spazzed]

Do NOT attempt to do this on your own. Many people have been injured trying this.

As for the loctite, just have the tech do it however they see fit.

Also, how much $$ is this gonna cost you in the end? Just curious to see how much your saving

[Dawson]

well even If I cant get an account over at carleton, and I have to buy a wdp tank I still save 100 bux

not to bad considering,

but the guy at carleton was ok with it and then i can get one of those new 88 stubbys.

[sniper1rfa]

bah, putting them together is easy. do NOT use loc-tite or any threadlocker. the o-ring above the threads on the reg (there is on there, right. if not, there should be) and torque the reg on to about 30 ft/lbs. Or very tight. dont hang on it, but make sure its tight. if you feel at all unsure about how to go about it, have a tech do it.

The o-ring will seal fine, thats all they use on 20,000 psi tanks used in fighter planes and bombers.

[Kevmaster]

DO NOT FORGET / NOT USE LOCTITE!!!

i can not emphasize that enough. i dont care what the airforce does, but you MUST use red loctite(271) on the reg threads. it is required by OSHA and DOT Federal laws regarding air cylnders. please, make sure that when you screw the reg on have the 271 loctite on three threads (all the way around 3 threads) and not covering the blow off hole.

if you wnat any help, id be glad to do it for you(free--send me $6 so i can ship it back)/help you on the net.

my credentials:
Paintball Training Institute Graduate #1414
:: Basic Fill Station Operator
:: Advanced High Pressure Air Technition
:: Player Safety Instructor
:: Basic Airsmith

Over One year as a manager of a paintball field in Durham, NC

Factory Certified by Brass Eagle, JT, Viewloader, AKALMP, Airgun Designs


please, please, please use Loctite and play safe

edit** forgot the AGD Cert

[Mr.Orange]

Loctite?

Hello all!

Well, Blah. And oops.

Mr.Orange

[Dawson]

Thanks kev that does help, I may send it to you or not, I dont feel to worried about putting on some locktite,

Hopefully I can get soem training like you in the paintball industry, anyway I still have to get the cylinder.

Thanks a bunch.

[Kevmaster]

sure thing man. i always recommend sending it to a trained person, however it can be done by an untrained person aswell. id be happy to talk to you(IM/PM/Phone/Email/Here) about exactly what you will need to do, if youd like

[sniper1rfa]

i have talked to several tank and reg manufacturers (air america, carlton, catalina cylinders, centerflag, etc..) and they have ALL told me that thread locker is not recommended. the reason: many tanks have failed to pass visual due to old locker or threads damaged by removing regs/valves with permanent (red) locker on them.

if you feel the need to use thread-locker, use blue instead of red. red is permanent, it is not designed to be removed, ever. even for re-hydro.

if you could, i would be interested to see this law regarding thread-locker, do you have a link?

[Smokee_2_7]

another interesting note, I have removed a few regs from tanks. Over the past 3 weeks I have taken 3 Flatline systems and one Crossfire system off from the bottles. The crossfire was brand new. NONE of the three regulators were sealed to the tank with any type of locktite or thread sealer, just as sniper1rfa described. All 4 systems were reassembled just as they were found. All have been tested to full capacity, and none have failed. I too would be interested in seeing a copy of this DOT law about thread locker. If that is the case, then there's a few companies in paintball that need to change the way they put their HPA systems together.

In contrast, EVERY co2 tank I have worked on (removed valve from tank) has had some type of thread locker on it. Usually it looks and smells like red locktite.

Perhaps the DOT regulation is dependant on what type of gas is being stored in the tank??

[sniper1rfa]

the co2 makes sense, as its a well known fact that it gets cold when its changing phases. that could damage the o-ring (if there is one, i dont know) causing the tank to vent.

[Kevmaster]

yeh, Co2 has orings, and i will try and find the notes in my PTI book...give me a day or so...

[Kevmaster]

forget the day or two, i realized i have my books here. here we go:

i have this quoted from my notes that i took while there: "HPA THEORY:
......
Valve Replacement:
1) 25 foot/pounds of torque to reinstall
2) always use LocTite(271) on first 3-4 rings only(violation of OSHA and DOT law)"

ill call Bob McGuire tomorrow to see if i can get some details about the rules.....

[Dawson]

I know I still have a lot to learn before becoming an airsmith, but my friend owns an WDP AIR HPA system, and I know for shure that there is no thread locker whatsoever, I am not shure about other tanks, but it seems WDP leaves itwithout any seal other than teh o-ring. (other evidance of this is the fact they sell replacement tanks for there systems, you know the ones with the graphics under teh wrap.)

I'll seach for the rules...

[Kevmaster]

well, aparently Bob McGuire isnt a good person at returning phone calls....oh well...maybe sometime